Question Will NW footsies make him viable?

[miloPKL]

footsies characters dont win injustice

 

[Minh Giang]

footsies characters dont win injustice

unless your char is MMH,

 

[Notez4]

Everyone in this game is viable except for Joker.

I challenge you to a duel sir.

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

ground pound isn't enough to win the match. cyborg can easily counter that with IANB which is high enough to avoid the ground pound and low enough to punish NW's ground pound. So in this case the opponent simply didn't block low. I don't get why the opponent didn't do more of IANB since it's godlike against NW.

oh and I'm not saying that Superman is easier to deal with now he's still a bad matchup for NW but the fact that his F23 got nerfed and that his air laser can be punished makes the MU less difficult than before.

I believe he trying to do the zipline grapple wake up but ground pound stuffed it, either way, he didn't have to do that since Cyborg is already set with IANB and it's NW's job to get in and keep him close.

 

[Fred Marvel]

footsies characters dont win injustice

not necessarily, but mobilty is just more important than footsies in this game

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

Footsies? What be Footsies?

My sig is perfect for this thread.

 

[trustinme]

I challenge you to a duel sir.

ive been stuck in the corner against a good joker and I had no idea how to get out,lol.that was no fun at all.
What's with that teeth bullshit after a background bounce? Is it possible to block that?

 

[Minh Giang]

Everyone in this game is viable except for Joker Cyborg.

fixed it for ya

 

[CURBOLICOUS]

This.....thank you for sharing what I been thinking.
I know those match ups require a lot of patience, but heres an example of the Cyborg match up to see how NW's mobility(his recovery after dashing forward) fairs our against Cyborg's full screen work

In respect, MB Nova Blaster is 12+ on block, Nova Blaster in itself is 10-11 frames but has -161 recovery frames thus IANB comes into play. NW of course is going to eat a lot of chip damage as Cyborg builds meter for more plus frames Nova Blasters to keep him safe in his zone.

Heres the Sinestro vs Nightwing match up

I think theres a video with NorcalJoe playing the MU but I couldn't find it.

That Superman match up is still tough post patch even though I haven't had trouble with most Superman players, you throw a good at me and I'm getting blown up.

Wheres the IANB? I think thatvMU is god awful if u get a good cyborg that just does IANB

 

[CURBOLICOUS]

This.....thank you for sharing what I been thinking.
I know those match ups require a lot of patience, but heres an example of the Cyborg match up to see how NW's mobility(his recovery after dashing forward) fairs our against Cyborg's full screen work

In respect, MB Nova Blaster is 12+ on block, Nova Blaster in itself is 10-11 frames but has -161 recovery frames thus IANB comes into play. NW of course is going to eat a lot of chip damage as Cyborg builds meter for more plus frames Nova Blasters to keep him safe in his zone.

Heres the Sinestro vs Nightwing match up

I think theres a video with NorcalJoe playing the MU but I couldn't find it.

That Superman match up is still tough post patch even though I haven't had trouble with most Superman players, you throw a good at me and I'm getting blown up.

Wheres the IANB? I think thatvMU is god awful if u get a good cyborg that just does IANB

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Everybody always jokes about how there's no footsie's in injustice blah blah blah. Does the trolling ever stop? Lol

I'm not saying he doesn't have bad match ups I'm not saying he is a top-tier character in any means, all I am saying is that his staff footsies are underrated even by the current Nightwing community.

Nightwings strength IS his footsies and he must rely on them to win.

 

[Sajam]

Everybody always jokes about how there's no footsie's in injustice blah blah blah. Does the trolling ever stop? Lol

I'm not saying he doesn't have bad match ups I'm not saying he is a top-tier character in any means, all I am saying is that his staff footsies are underrated even by the current Nightwing community.

Nightwings strength IS his footsies and he must rely on them to win.

Dunno who you mean by current NW community, but his staff footsies have always been considered good against characters who have to approach him, or when he can lock down a character in or near the corner. Outside of those situations his footsies aren't as relevant, because characters can abuse his lack of mobility to move outside of footsie range and force him to approach again.

It's the same old song and dance as always. I don't think anybody thinks his staff footsies are bad at all, we know they are good.

 

[gpmoney]

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan............... Whens Mahvel? lol

All seriousness I play NW cause I'm a fan of him from the comics. He's the only character in the game I like cause im a fan boy of the bat family.
IMO I just play injustice like any other fighting game when using NW, spacing, footsies to open up, whiff punish, anti air, ext. Night wing has all the tools you just have to use them properly.
Yes he has frame traps and set ups but just like any other fighting game do NOT ever get dependent on set ups,'vortexes', and frame traps to win.
I notice alot of injustice players are so concerned with set ups and stuff they dont really play footsies or space well and then get upset or frustrated cause they cant get it.
injustice is my first NRS game though and I never watched any MK play but I played other fighters and learned footsies from local players in my scene who played CVS2 and others.

Im one of the few NW players who dose not abuse staff, mash d1, or abuse the Ground pound. but that's just my play style and everyone has their own :3

 

[Tony at Home]

Looking at the active threads in the Nightwing forums:

"Will NW footsies make him viable?"

and

"Community Guide to overcoming fundamental Nightwing problems"

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan............... Whens Mahvel? lol

All seriousness I play NW cause I'm a fan of him from the comics. He's the only character in the game I like cause im a fan boy of the bat family.
IMO I just play injustice like any other fighting game when using NW, spacing, footsies to open up, whiff punish, anti air, ext. Night wing has all the tools you just have to use them properly.
Yes he has frame traps and set ups but just like any other fighting game do NOT ever get dependent on set ups,'vortexes', and frame traps to win.
I notice alot of injustice players are so concerned with set ups and stuff they dont really play footsies or space well and then get upset or frustrated cause they cant get it.
injustice is my first NRS game though and I never watched any MK play but I played other fighters and learned footsies from local players in my scene who played CVS2 and others.

Im one of the few NW players who dose not abuse staff, mash d1, or abuse the Ground pound. but that's just my play style and everyone has their own :3

I approve this message.

Whatever the style, going back to fundamentals will always help your game. That is what I have done and that is why I'm actively posting now. I'm accepting his flaws and trying to master the use of his strengths...

Too many NW players are trying to master his "gimmicks"

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Dunno who you mean by current NW community, but his staff footsies have always been considered good against characters who have to approach him, or when he can lock down a character in or near the corner. Outside of those situations his footsies aren't as relevant, because characters can abuse his lack of mobility to move outside of footsie range and force him to approach again.

It's the same old song and dance as always. I don't think anybody thinks his staff footsies are bad at all, we know they are good.

The whole attitude of the community is sour right now...maybe not so much you or gpmoney but most others. I'm gonna give it my best at my first large tournament at KIT and see what happens. I'll also use Grundy and Scorp so know that I am not afraid to counterpick...I just don't like bitching. I see NW as highly viable in more MU than I see Grundy as viable.

 

[gpmoney]

I approve this message.

Whatever the style, going back to fundamentals will always help your game. That is what I have done and that is why I'm actively posting now. I'm accepting his flaws and trying to master the use of his strengths...

Too many NW players are trying to master his "gimmicks"

NW has waaaaaaaaaay too many options on everything. I agree 100 % too many players focus on gimmicks and when the opponent finds a way around it they are fucked because that's all they know.
I've been grinding soo hard breaking bad habits, back dashing intractable, having Players Like AlucarD and JDM teach me footsies. You have to be able to adapt Im trying to make all his 5-5 match ups 6-4, im trying to make all his 4-6 match ups 5-5. lol I just wish I could play more people but when I go to majors I can never find the rooms or casuals :\ lol.

 

[Vagrant]

Dude.....

....I saw fly made the thread and I read NW and totally thought you were talking about NightWolf lmao.

I thought Fly was doing drugs or something.

 

[gpmoney]

@AK L0rdoftheFLY I mainly come to TYM for tech and MU guides. while scrolling I see alot of ppl NW players or not who do not have confidence in their game play and always say stuff like oh NW is bad, bad MU, I had no options ext. NW has every option in the World! lol I wish I could just share all of my knowledge and views of how I think while playing sometimes lol.

I am not saying Im the best because I know I am far from being the best NW I think Im like mid tier of all nightwing players.
I see alot of NW players actually give up on a match all together because they look at the MU or stage and say' I cant Win'. Thats a loser mentality
I may post abot how I use NW just to set examples of my gameplay.
I learned from playing CORN@XxM3LLOxX no lifing @Sajam vids and @prycemonsta tech. I tweaked and just go for optimal at all times
but if any NW players need assistance pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaase just ask lol Im always coming to TYM asking how do others fight MU to get a general feel of what Im doing wrong

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Dude.....

....I saw fly made the thread and I read NW and totally thought you were talking about NightWolf lmao.

I thought Fly was doing drugs or something.

haha...i love fucking with peoples heads with NW

 

[Big Pampering]

nw is good when the opponent actually plays footsies with him instead of playing a anti-footsie playstyle or zoning playstyle

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

nw is good when the opponent actually plays footsies with him instead of playing a anti-footsie playstyle or zoning playstyle

there is no "aniti-footie" playstyle...

Footsies exist even in zoning. goodness sometimes I wonder about people

 

[Big Pampering]

there is no "aniti-footie" playstyle...

Footsies exist even in zoning. goodness sometimes I wonder about people

I wonder why people always have to argue with you on these forums.... so is subzero is not an anti footsie character? kenshi seems like an anti footsie character as well, he destroys footsies and forces you to play a risky playstyle.

 

[gpmoney]

I wonder why people always have to argue with you on these forums.... so is subzero is not an anti footsie character? kenshi seems like an anti footsie character as well, he destroys footsies and forces you to play a risky playstyle.

*not arguing btw*

But what are footsies to you? Just want a definition :3

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

I wonder why people always have to argue with you on these forums.... so is subzero is not an anti footsie character? kenshi seems like an anti footsie character as well, he destroys footsies and forces you to play a risky playstyle.

no...they have BETTER footsies than everyone else.