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What!?!? Sub's reset is getting removed? So Tom's 'official new BnB' video on Youtube is now pointless?
How is this not self-explanatory? Sure, he'd have the same tactics, but they'd be less effective. I don't mind Ermac being able to do what he does, but I don't think he should be rewarded for it quite like he is. No turtling character should have higher damage output than the overwhelming majority of the cast.So whats your suggestion? Less damage? He would still have the tactics you described. What can you do then?
Again, why do you think NRS is not looking at those characters??? Someone from NRS has never said, not one time, that those characters are not going to have some kind of change in the patch. Everyone keeps saying WHAT WHY IS SUB BLAH BLAH BLAH but, you have no idea who else is going to get nerfed and who else is going to get buffed. There's a bunch of crying about a patch that isn't even released yet. The fuck?!?I don't mean to be that guy, but it seems like they're more concerned with buffing the more popular characters (and hopefully nerfing the problem children like Cyrax and Kung Lao), rather than trying to work on the lame ducks.
I addressed this within the same post. In fact, it was pretty much immediately after the part you quoted.Again, why do you think NRS is not looking at those characters??? Someone from NRS has never said, not one time, that those characters are not going to have some kind of change in the patch. Everyone keeps saying WHAT WHY IS SUB BLAH BLAH BLAH but, you have no idea who else is going to get nerfed and who else is going to get buffed. There's a bunch of crying about a patch that isn't even released yet. The fuck?!?
Well, the thing about EX slide, is that it has a second hit which knocks them in the opposite direction. Which is good if you're in the corner, but really doesn't do help much if they are zoning you, not to mention it pushes them back away from you, and its techable, so they can go straight back to zoning... Really, I don't see the armor doing much good.In summary:
* Reset option is being removed.
* Ability to do large combo damage is removed.
* Sub still rocks at pushing people into a corner and keeping them there.
* New slide features make Sub better at pushing people into the corner.
Seems to me that NRS is trying to buff Sub-Zero for intermediate skill level players, while nerfing him for expert level players that can reliably do the reset.
-SKM (is intermediate skill level)
I do agree with you, Bizkit, about the EX Slide armor not being that big of a deal, however, unless Sub is already in the corner himself.lol, dude imo the "buff" of slide going under high projectiles is more of a "THATS WHAT ITS SUPPOSED TO DO!" than an actual buff. the armor to the ex slide is a buff. losing the reset is a nerf. they could slightly bump his damage but overall getting his slide to go under all high projectiles is HUGE and the biggest improvement he will get.
Really, That is not what I picked up on off his quote.. If anything, I would think he was talking just sliding under certain projectiles, not have armor... Which I'm kinda neutral on at the moment....But even the normal slide is getting buffed:
I do agree with you, Bizkit, about the EX Slide armor not being that big of a deal, however, unless Sub is already in the corner himself.
LOL you were right, my bad. I usually only read one or two lines and then all crying and complaining looks exactly the same to me as it turns into a big blur of salty tears, so I only based my quote on that first part. My mistake, guy.I addressed this within the same post. In fact, it was pretty much immediately after the part you quoted.
Good call.
You realize that if a crossup is read, he can punish you with an uppercut, right? An uppercut he can combo off of?the reason people say ermac has bad wake up options is because if you cross him up he has exactly no way of dealing with it other than sitting on block. Pressuring ermac with multiple crossovers is how you break him. Its just all about the fight to get in. We should start focusing more on sub zero than the other characters cause we have to deal with them regardless and theres no reason to start a character war over something as trivial as a buff that was meant to help in 1 or 2 matchups.
...How the hell was I salty or crying about anything? I said Cyrax needs a nerf, which everyone agrees on. I PLAY Cyrax, it's not like I want the character to be shot to hell. All I did in that post was tell REO why I think some characters are getting adjustments before others, and then point out that we still don't know what the other patch tweaks will be.LOL you were right, my bad. I usually only read one or two lines and then all crying and complaining looks exactly the same to me as it turns into a big blur of salty tears, so I only based my quote on that first part. My mistake, guy.
"Over us"? He has it over more than Sub Zero. He also makes it all but impossible to pressure him on a knockdown, so I don't see where you get this idea that his wakeup options aren't great. If you cross him up, he'll roll or uppercut you (depending on how late you jump). If you try to attack him on wakeup, you run the risk of getting teleslammed for a full combo punish. If you block in anticipation of a teleslam... Well, you're both back to square one?
Ermac isn't exactly Shang Tsung in the way of wakeups. He has enough options to get himself out of trouble.
I call it the Obama kickYou know a move that fucks up with most Ermac's wake up? F+4 (Spartan Overhead Kick).
Are you sure? why do you call it a nerf? spin as been ALWAYS punishable! Hard to punish? yes it was but that just meant people got to LEARN to punish that shit!ermac is fine as is, cyrax will be able to do over 50% still just not in the 70's-90's, the only nerf KL needs is no pushback on spin.
i know this is the sub zero forum so i shouldnt say it here, cyrax has enough as is, he doesnt need ANY improvements, the chest saw has its uses, if you wanna anti air them, use 'anti air'I personally think it's stupid. I mean Goodie for Tom. It's cool that his character is getting what he wants him to have to compete.
If NRS is taking orders for what we want from our mains, I'd personally like for Cyrax' Buzzsaw to be an anti-air.