Clearing Up Community Misconceptions

[Tom Brady]

You think MK 9 is a terrible game?

Despite what you mentioned it has THE BEST meter system ive seen in any fighting game, period.

The game looks really nice, and so do the stages. At least some of the higher tier characters like Kabal, Skarlet require a high level of execution to be effective with. I think the game allowed a lot of characters to be fairly creative. Injustice seems to be all about landing that B3.

If everyone is so viable in IGAU, why do I see people only talking about AM, BA, MMH and Zod? There are input errors in Injustice as well.

I don't believe in those 9-1's one bit. MK 9 was never allowed to reach its full potential, nor will it ever, cause everyone dropped it like a bad habit. The same people asking for a MK revival are the ones that dropped it at the first hurdle. T Hawk in ST has gone from being garbage to high tier now, simply cause of the passage of time and how the game is still being played and evolving. I still think Skarlet is the best female character in MK 9, I think Rain is far better than people realise, and so on...but hey, we'll never know.

Every game has it's issues. I think Meter drain was the worst one, but what can you do. It was only until quite like that we discovered the Toasty Boost. I think some people act as if 100% of everything was found for the game and that was that. It's all a matter of opinion, I just think MK was a deeper game than Injustice.

You know what the AM talk is? That people over rated him and he is most likely not even top 5.

Do not tell me that I just couldnt figure out that kenshi/SZ mu, but with another year or so, maybe I would have.. which is actually a 10-0 but listed as 9-1 because technically at the highest level you can lose one game. There is no more time needed for me to get any more blood out of a stone. I had Sub-Zero about as far along as he could be.

A Lot of players had there characters advanced to a point where another year wouldnt have changed things. Also, another year isn't getting the worst of the worst into the top 8..EVER..

AND THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF TIME THAT HELPS ANYONE OVERCOME INPUT BUG, P1 ADV, METER DRAIN, ETC..

 

[Flagg]

Don't believe in 9-1's? Lol try maining Jade & playing a good kenshi

No offence to the Jade community, but I dont think she's ever had the best representation, and she used to be one of my first mains.

Kenshi is almostly broken as Hell in MK 9, broken and brain dead, the worst combination. Over time, some God like Jade may have emerged, again we'll never know. Im not convinced that Kabal was invincible with no even games....seemed to me that if you can play Kabal on The Pit then its a matter of him backing himself in the corner, where anyone with decent rush down and mix ups can wreck him, ala, Sonya, Cage, Cyrax, etc. Yeah he has the best zoning, but does he have the best rush down also? Without The Roof, just how good is Kabal. Its like Batman and the Gotham stage.

 

[Big Pampering]

Don't believe in 9-1's? Lol try maining Jade & playing a good kenshi

when you talk about balance youre not going to compare the worst character to the 2nd best character. Youre going to look at the top half of the cast and see how many characters can compete in tournament within the top half. Try comparing worst character vs top 5 in any game and youre going to come to the conclusion the game is not balanced. if youre going to play any characters like joker, jade, baraka, stryker you dont have anything to say about balance because youre playing the worst characters in the game it is what it is. Play a top 15 character and then come talk about balance.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

No offence to the Jade community, but I dont think she's ever had the best representation, and she used to be one of my first mains.

Kenshi is almostly broken as Hell in MK 9, broken and brain dead, the worst combination. Over time, some God like Jade may have emerged, again we'll never know. Im not convinced that Kabal was invincible with no even games....seemed to me that if you can play Kabal on The Pit then its a matter of him backing himself in the corner, where anyone with decent rush down and mix ups can wreck him, ala, Sonya, Cage, Cyrax, etc. Yeah he has the best zoning, but does he have the best rush down also? Without The Roof, just how good is Kabal. Its like Batman and the Gotham stage.

Lol what? We had great Jade players just as TakeAChance, Mr. Mileena, Birdsongs, Mafia. Great Jade players & she is a bad character, a very bad one! If you used Jade then please tell me what chances did jade have against a good Kenshi?

& if you're con convinced about al that then why not you make acugead explaining to everyone why Kabal has no bad MU's? And actually Kabal has the best zoning & the best rushdown game lol. Do you even know Kabal?

 

[Flagg]

You know what the AM talk is? That people over rated him and he is most likely not even top 5.

Do not tell me that I just couldnt figure out that kenshi/SZ mu, but with another year or so, maybe I would have.. which is actually a 10-0 but listed as 9-1 because technically at the highest level you can lose one game. There is no more time needed for me to get any more blood out of a stone. I had Sub-Zero about as far along as he could be.

A Lot of players had there characters advanced to a point where another year wouldnt have changed things. Also, another year isn't getting the worst of the worst into the top 8..EVER..

Sometimes Tom, you come across a bit passive aggressive. Im sure you'll take that the wrong way, and yeah, you were probably the best SZ at the time....but someone else might have come along later and done more with the character. Everyone thought CD Jr was the best Jax player, and imo, Tyrant went on to be the better Jax.

Are you saying MK went as absolutely far as it did, and every piece of tech was found.

And how do you know, that two or three years down the line, you wouldn't have taken SZ further, that something was found on Kenshi that opened him up more. Damn you're taking what im saying as some personal attack when all im saying is MK still had more to be unlocked. Again, my opinion, which on this site, is something to be shot down in flames.

 

[Tom Brady]

when you talk about balance youre not going to compare the worst character to the 2nd best character. Youre going to look at the top half of the cast and see how many characters can compete in tournament within the top half. Try comparing worst character vs top 5 in any game and youre going to come to the conclusion the game is not balanced. if youre going to play any characters like joker, jade, baraka, stryker you dont have anything to say about balance because youre playing the worst characters in the game it is what it is. Play a top 15 character and then come talk about balance.

Sometimes Tom, you come across a bit passive aggressive. Im sure you'll take that the wrong way, and yeah, you were probably the best SZ at the time....but someone else might have come along later and done more with the character. Everyone thought CD Jr was the best Jax player, and imo, Tyrant went on to be the better Jax.

Are you saying MK went as absolutely far as it did, and every piece of tech was found.

And how do you know, that two or three years down the line, you wouldn't have taken SZ further, that something was found on Kenshi that opened him up more. Damn you're taking what im saying as some personal attack when all im saying is MK still had more to be unlocked. Again, my opinion, which on this site, is something to be shot down in flames.

don't you get it?

MK9 doesnt have a top 15, it has a bottom 20....

all the system issues I just listed and a game that a bottom 20? Come on man

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

when you talk about balance youre not going to compare the worst character to the 2nd best character. Youre going to look at the top half of the cast and see how many characters can compete in tournament within the top half. Try comparing worst character vs top 5 in any game and youre going to come to the conclusion the game is not balanced. if youre going to play any characters like joker, jade, baraka, stryker you dont have anything to say about balance because youre playing the worst characters in the game it is what it is. Play a top 15 character and then come talk about balance.

Lol actually no... Balance is where every character has possibilities against most of the cast... In Injustice Hawkgirl is mid tier... & she has possibilities with every top tier 5-5, with two 3-7's in IGAU not even the worst character has a 1-9 MU lol. In MK 1-9's & 2-8's were in every bottom 15 chracter's MU lists.

 

[Big Pampering]

don't you get it?

MK9 doesnt have a top 15, it has a bottom 15....

tom stop trashtalking mk. Over the whole course of mk9 til now I haven't said anything but good things about you on this forum, but you need to stop trashtalking mk because you havent said a good thing about mk since injustice came out. Now if you would read my post again, all I said to that other guy was that you cannot rate a games balance by comparing the worst character vs the best character.

 

[Big Pampering]

Lol actually no... Balance is where every character has possibilities against most of the cast... In Injustice Hawkgirl is mid tier... & she has possibilities with every top tier 5-5, with two 3-7's in IGAU not even the worst character has a 1-9 MU lol. In MK 1-9's & 2-8's were in every bottom 15 chracter's MU lists.

so a fightinggame is not balanced if it has 30 characters and only the bottom 5 cant compete?

 

[Tom Brady]

tom stop trashtalking mk. Over the whole course of mk9 til now I haven't said anything but good things about you on this forum, but you need to stop trashtalking mk because you havent said a good thing about mk since injustice came out. Now if you would read my post again, all I said to that other guy was that you cannot rate a games balance by comparing the worst character vs the best character.

dude.. the game has a bottom 20...

You cant consistently hit Down + a Button..

Player 1 wins EVERY situation where there would be a trade..

You cant even get out your Enhanced Moves, sometimes you just lose the meter rather then your move WITH ARMOR coming out.

I am not saying MK was bad. But for people to say that MK9 is the reason why IGAU isnt played like it should be... That IGAU didnt live up to MK9..COME ON MAN

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

so a fightinggame is not balanced if it has 30 characters and only the bottom 5 cant compete?

Lol you don't get it... In MK9 they were not the bottom 5 the characters who weren't able to compete... They were the bottom 15 lol

 

[Big Pampering]

dude.. the game has a bottom 20...

You cant consistently hit Down + a Button..

Player 1 wins EVERY situation where there would be a trade..

You cant even get out your Enhanced Moves, sometimes you just lose the meter rather then your move WITH ARMOR coming out.

I am not saying MK was bad. But for people to say that MK9 is the reason why IGAU isnt played like it should be...COME ON MAN

tom again read my post...I wasnt even talking about mk matchups or bugs or anything. what I said didnt apply to mk, it applies to fighting games in general. Any game will look as if it has shit balance if youre going to compare worst vs best character.

 

[Tom Brady]

tom again read my post...I wasnt even talking about mk matchups or bugs or anything. what I said didnt apply to mk, it applies to fighting games in general. Any game will look as if it has shit balance if youre going to compare worst vs best character.

and one more thing...

You know there are issues when just stating issues that are fact is considered trash talking. NO WHERE in this thread did I call MK9 bad. Just by reading the FACTS, you took away that someone was describing a bad game. THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES!

 

[trustinme]

For the record nightwolf is the worst character not jade

 

[Big Pampering]

Lol you don!'t get it... In MK9 they were not the bottom 5 the characters who weren't able to compete... They were the bottom 15 lol

tournament results prove the complete opposite. Not saying Mk doesnt have balance issues but come on look at the results. yes there were a lot of bad matchups but this community would already cry at the sight of a 6-4 matchup.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

For the record nightwolf is the worst character not jade

Nobody said she is the worst :S

 

[Mr. Mileena]

Don't believe in 9-1's? Lol try maining Jade & playing a good kenshi

Lol I know right?

With Zatanna, I feel she can win any MU if you outplay your opponent, Aquaman is pretty tough though, but not 1-9 or 2-8
With Sindel or Jade, that won't happen at all lol

 

[testyourpatience]

now let me clear up your misconception: no one really thinks that about the game. they just don't like it anymore for whatever reason and want it to die.

 

[trustinme]

Nobody said she is the worst :S

thats alright then.

 

[Tom Brady]

tournament results prove the complete opposite. Not saying Mk doesnt have balance issues but come on look at the results. yes there were a lot of bad matchups but this community would already cry at the sight of a 6-4 matchup.

The only bad character top place top on a consistent basis is Sub-Zero. It has NOTHING to do with the character or balance and everything to do with the player, who was probably more lucky than good.

 

[Big Pampering]

and one more thing...

You know there are issues when just stating issues that are fact is considered trash talking. NO WHERE in this thread did I call MK9 bad. Just by reading the FACTS, you took away that someone was describing a bad game. THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES!

you are making the game look bad if everytime you mention mk, all you talk about is the problems.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

tournament results prove the complete opposite. Not saying Mk doesnt have balance issues but come on look at the results. yes there were a lot of bad matchups but this community would already cry at the sight of a 6-4 matchup.

Lol nobody cries about 4-6's but in this case we are talking that EVEY single bottom 15 character in MK had a lot of 3-7's, 2-8's & 1-9's -______-

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

Lol I know right?

With Zatanna, I feel she can win any MU if you outplay your opponent, Aquaman is pretty tough though, but not 1-9 or 2-8
With Sindel or Jade, that won't happen at all lol

Exactly lol. 9-1's are completely bullshit

 

[trustinme]

I never realised at tournaments someone held a gun to your head and forced you to play a low tier character,wow. At least that explains why the majority of events smell like piss

 

[Big Pampering]

The only bad character top place top on a consistent basis is Sub-Zero. It has NOTHING to do with the character or balance and everything to do with the player, who was probably more lucky than good.

if we are talking about nr2 were obviously talking about kenshi. now doesn't reptile(potentially #13) do pretty well against kenshi? You have kung lao, kabal, cyrax, reptile, smoke, freddy, skarlet, raiden, shang tsung and sonya who could all handle kenshi pretty fine.

edit: again not saying mk doesnt have balance issues, but the balance seems ten times worse than it really was when you hear people talk about mk now...