Clearing Up Community Misconceptions

[xInfra Deadx]

This thread...

 

[TheSpore]

This thread...

Oh how I miss EWJ 1 an 2 we need a next gen version

 

[skahwt]

Back to the OP I agree has life left in it. I always enjoyed playing it but after Evo I worried if it would survive because it seemed boring to watch. I don't know if it was due to the patch or players leveling up but as time went on it got better and better as a spectator game, and now it is by far my fAvorite game in stream.


It seems there are a lot of people who play and love this game, and I can't wait to watch NEC.

 

[Dirtylova]

Its an endless cycle.. Some people will never be happy with any other game, except the one they were good in. /thread

 

[Justice]

who will you learn matchup with if there is no one to play against? Online? oh please!!

Can we please give this shit up already? Online is just as good of a learning tool as anything else. Some of the best players also came from online as well like Death, xSmokeX, Curbo, playpal; I think even Forever King got his start online as well. Not to mention guys like Pig, Brady, REO, etc do use online to get MU experience. Sure there's scrubs online but any experience vs other players is good experience.

 

[TheSpore]

Can we please give this shit up already? Online is just as good of a learning tool as anything else. Some of the best players also came from online as well like Death, xSmokeX, Curbo, playpal; I think even Forever King got his start online as well. Not to mention guys like Pig, Brady, REO, etc do use online to get MU experience. Sure there's scrubs online but any experience vs other players is good experience.

For a large portion of folks online is all they have.

 

[HGTV Soapboxfan]

Oh no not the online debate again. Just cuz you play online doesn't make you bad or completely irrelevant but offline is better and actually means something. If you want to prove yourself, go offline. Online is good for mu experience but means nothing.

 

[RiBBz22]

No mention of Ohio, can't take this thread serious. We have Forever King, P2W, m2dave, master D, THTB, FK Jr and freaking me OH MA GAWWWD

 

[CrimsonShadow]

No mention of Ohio, can't take this thread serious. We have Forever King, P2W, m2dave, master D, THTB, FK Jr and freaking me OH MA GAWWWD

And no locals -- what's up with that?

 

[AZ MotherBrain]

I got an idea, can we just start playing mk9 again with out bitching?

 

[Eddy Wang]

Can we please give this shit up already? Online is just as good of a learning tool as anything else. Some of the best players also came from online as well like Death, xSmokeX, Curbo, playpal; I think even Forever King got his start online as well. Not to mention guys like Pig, Brady, REO, etc do use online to get MU experience. Sure there's scrubs online but any experience vs other players is good experience.

I know you guys have a good online experience, but this is not the case in every corner of the world, there is still countries that trying to play a fighter online is a waste of time.
That's exacly what A F0xy Grampa means. "There is no point in playing a NRS game seriously if you aren't playin in U.S. because outside of the U.S its like a desert out there, even online, if a game scene dies here is all screwed up.

You know what, i give up... i don't have nothing to prove anyway...

 

[Perfect Legend]

don't you get it?

MK9 doesnt have a top 15, it has a bottom 20....

all the system issues I just listed and a game that a bottom 20? Come on man

Here is the biggest issue the community has...just by looking at how people respond to Tom everyone takes everyone so personal.

Example: "Hey man I really liked you but because I don't share your opinion you are now losing cool points with me for your opinion/facts about the video game we play (honestly they are facts cause numbers and statistics don't lie) I don't like you anymore"

Like seriously dude?

People will fall out over a damn match up chart. " NO ITS 7-3 NO ITS 6-4!" come on son.

Too many people rage on other people. And most of your are grown ass men catching feelings with each other.

Yea I'm gonna say this game sucks, im gonna say that game sucks. I didn't tell you your dad takes it up the ass from your mom using a damn butt plug. Get a hold of yourself.

 

[ThaShiveGeek]

Here is the biggest issue the community has...just by looking at how people respond to Tom everyone takes everyone so personal.

Example: "Hey man I really liked you but because I don't share your opinion you are now losing cool points with me for your opinion/facts about the video game we play (honestly they are facts cause numbers and statistics don't lie) I don't like you anymore"

Like seriously dude?

People will fall out over a damn match up chart. " NO ITS 7-3 NO ITS 6-4!" come on son.

Too many people rage on other people. And most of your are grown ass men catching feelings with each other.

Yea I'm gonna say this game sucks, im gonna say that game sucks. I didn't tell you your dad takes it up the ass from your mom using a damn butt plug. Get a hold of yourself.

You still a lame my G

 

[Justice]

For a large portion of folks online is all they have.

I know. I'd be one of them.

I know you guys have a good online experience, but this is not the case in every corner of the world, there is still countries that trying to play a fighter online is a waste of time.
That's exacly what A F0xy Grampa means. "There is no point in playing a NRS game seriously if you aren't playin in U.S. because outside of the U.S its like a desert out there, even online, if a game scene dies here is all screwed up.

You know what, i give up... i don't have nothing to prove anyway...

I think you guys missed the point. I wasn't trashing online, I was defending it. There's still this attitude that online players just automatically suck because they're online players. That's what I was saying had to stop.

And I can see where @A Foxy Grampa is coming from but I respectfully disagree. If you aren't playing a game because you love it, then scene or no, you're wasting your time.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

And no locals -- what's up with that?

Not the best time of the year (for any touneys, basically) due to the holidays coming up.

 

[Tom Brady]

You guys do know that other communities play several of their games right? How? By not trying to diminish the validity of one or the other. For me.. I am hanging up my Lin Kuei attire.. Doesn't mena I wouldn't still push the game, commentate the game, and help anyone looking to pick it up.

However, this community put players such as myself in a position where I have to defend IGAU. Anytime you pull some dumb reason why "IGAU didn't live up to MK9" as a fact and not how you feel as your opinion and list game problems, MK9's issues come up as well in defense of IGAU. What happens? BOTH games look bad, no one goes back to MK and less people pick up IGAU...

PL and I started an offline tourney scene for a game that WASN'T EVEN OUT IN AMERICA!!!! If ppl want to play something, then the'll play it. If its your opinion that MK9 was better for you, then play it. I'll support it 100%. But don't spout facts as to why no one should be playing IGAU, because if people aren't playing whats new, whats old will surely die. MK9 has to work hand in had with IGAU, not up against it.

 

[TheSpore]

You guys do know that other communities play several of their games right? How? By not trying to diminish the validity of one or the other. For me.. I am hanging up my Lin Kuei attire.. Doesn't mena I wouldn't still push the game, commentate the game, and help anyone looking to pick it up.

However, this community put players such as myself in a position where I have to defend IGAU. Anytime you pull some dumb reason why "IGAU didn't live up to MK9" as a fact and not how you feel as your opinion and list game problems, MK9's issues come up as well in defense of IGAU. What happens? BOTH games look bad, no one goes back to MK and less people pick up IGAU...

PL and I started an offline tourney scene for a game that WASN'T EVEN OUT IN AMERICA!!!! If ppl want to play something, then the'll play it. If its your opinion that MK9 was better for you, then play it. I'll support it 100%. But don't spout facts as to why no one should be playing IGAU, because if people aren't playing whats new, whats old will surely die. MK9 has to work hand in had with IGAU, not up against it.

The thing is that is the natural mentality of most communities as a whole especially this one. Look at when KI was coming out, before the game even released we started to see folks yelling KI will be better than IGAU and if anyone decided to say no screw KI you automatically dubbed either a Sony Pony or a fanboy. As a community we all need to suppor each other as a whole regardless of the games we play. That is the problem and part of the reason no one takes the FGC seriously. We spend too much time being negative about each other's gaming preference. I know I am not inncoent of derailing a topic or two, but its come too often when someone validly makes a thread discussing a game and then poeple have to pour in toe claim the game to be trash and what not.

 

[trustinme]

Is this bollocks really still going on? Wow

 

[coolwhip]

By the way, while I appreciate the intention, creating "positive" threads or "fact refuting" threads is unfortunately just as counter-productive as the negative threads that mods close on a daily basis, since they turn into the same discussion. Just because a thread's OP is positive (and admittedly raises valid points), doesn't mean the content of the thread is gonna be any better. It's just allowing the same tired discussion to persist.

This is nothing against Crimson, and I fully agree with his first post, but I would have much preferred to see this as the final post in one of the shitty negative threads before closing them.

For the record, I'm not saying "negativity" is automatically bad. A lot of the points raised about the game are valid (walkspeed, movement in general, MMH getting a buff, balancing inconsistencies, etc...), but unfortunately, people don't state their point in a coherent, mature way. Each time someone feels like they have a piece of criticism about the game, their sense of entitlement means they'll open a thread about it (despite there being 103213 other similar ones), and rant away. The recent attacks and agenda against one particular developer have been absolutely shameful. I love most of our top players, and have nothing but respect for all of them, but they had no right to air some of what was said behind the scenes.

Stuff like someone at NRS telling them "this is Paulo's game," whether true or not, should never be made public. This company was kind enough to bring you over as testers because they have confidence in your fighting game knowledge, and appreciate the support and passion you've had for MK9. They allowed you to do something you love. Now even if the final product was not what you had desired, you have no right to personally criticize them. Of course, you can and should mention your issues with the game. But the problem is some of our testers have seem to have taken it personally that their advice was not followed. Even if you were right and NRS were wrong, this is their game. Their vision. If you don't agree with it, that's fine, and state your case, but saying stuff like "Paulo has no idea how to make a fighting game" is unwarranted. It's not like some of the same people stating this have never been wrong (BA needs a low starter, Scorpion should be banned, X character sucks only to be proven wrong, X character is broken only to proven wrong, etc...).

I absolutely agree with criticism regarding walk-speed, input issues (the down + back bug after crouching is inexcusable), and other problems. But this community and its leaders would come off as being way more mature if they just pointed them out, without launching stinging attacks at those who have given them the opportunity to be "behind the scenes," so to speak.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

coolwhip I'm not going to stop making positive threads just because some people might end up arguing in them. It's still worth it for those who actually get the point and make useful contributions.

I'm excited for NEC and curious to see where our community will go here. Anything else is water off a duck's back at this point.

 

[coolwhip]

coolwhip I'm not going to stop making positive threads just because some people might end up arguing in them. It's still worth it for those who actually get the point and make useful contributions.

I'm excited for NEC and curious to see where our community will go here. Anything else is water off a duck's back at this point.

I didn't ask you to. My point is it's just a little inconsistent. The content of the thread (not the OP, but the subsequent replies) is going to end up being the same as all the other threads that are getting closed. It's just that the forums have been unbearable this past week, with the same shit in every thread, and I'm sure you guys as mods are just as irritated as the rest of us.

Anyway, as I said, I agree with your OP. It's really much fuss about nothing. Someone said it in another thread (maybe it was 16 Bit), this community is obsessed with our games' impending deaths. It's really unbelievable and I have no idea if it's paranoia, projection of insecurity, or masochism, but most of it is really unfounded. They thought the game would die after Scorpion was released because "top players like FLOE were threatening to quit" (yeah, because he was always going to stick around). They thought the game would die after EVO because F23. They thought the game would die because NRS kept hyping the big October patch without releasing details (as if people will suddenly not care once it's released). Now the game is supposed to die after NEC because...overhead teleport? And let's not get started on MK, which made it to 3 EVO's.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Realistically though, Floe would not have been the only person to quit the game if Scorpion had remained unpatched. The thing was, you had people on both sides saying his current state was bad for the game: some people who were actually playing him (and winning) as well as people that weren't. It was a community-wide realization that seeing 90% jump 1/3 and teleport from a character in Top 8 at a major combined with f23 would make a laughingstock of the game.

And yes, after EVO the game community was in danger until it was patched. You can see now how scenes in SoCal and otherwhere have been revitalized now that it's not only the same couple of players/characters winning.

It seems like people always want to make issues more linear than they actually are.

But, that's not what this thread was about

 

[coolwhip]

Realistically though, Floe would not have been the only person to quit the game if Scorpion had remained unpatched. The thing was, you had people on both sides saying his current state was bad for the game: some people who were actually playing him (and winning) as well as people that weren't. It was a community-wide realization that seeing 90% jump 1/3 and teleport from a character in Top 8 at a major combined with f23 would make a laughingstock of the game.

It seems like people always want to make issues more linear than they actually are.

We've been that road before. This was an assumption, not a realization, one that may or may not have come true (in other words, the top 8's were not 90% Scorpion jumping around because everyone freaked the hell out way before it even happened). To suggest that a game would DIE because of one move or one character is quite extreme. That's not to say that F23 shouldn't have been nerfed (of course it should have), or that Scorpion was fine (he wasn't), but you're focusing on the examples here, rather than the bigger picture. People in this community don't have any patience, and don't wait for anything. They automatically assume the worst (a game's death) and freak out.

 

[trustinme]

Omfg,I swear this site is getting funnier by the day.u are all arguing over complete and utter nonsense and about situations that u have absolutely no control over whatsoever.is there any chance of you all shutting the fuck up and just playing ur games of choice?

 

[CrimsonShadow]

We've been that road before. This was an assumption, not a realization, one that may or may not have come true (in other words, the top 8's were not 90% Scorpion jumping around because everyone freaked the hell out way before it even happened). To suggest that a game would DIE because of one move or one character is quite extreme. That's not to say that F23 shouldn't have been nerfed (of course it should have), or that Scorpion was fine (he wasn't), but you're focusing on the examples here, rather than the bigger picture. People in this community don't have any patience, and don't wait for anything. They automatically assume the worst (a game's death) and freak out.

That's fine, but people had seen the problems imbalance caused once and didn't want to stake the future of the community on a coin flip of "maybe it will/maybe it won't" happen again. The truth is that the SoCal scene was in serious trouble, the midwest scene was in trouble, and other scenes were flagging as well until the changes were made. That's strictly on a factual basis; people just weren't showing up because they were tired of having to fight f23f23f23f23, lightningDivekickLowLightningFrametrap, and j2j2j2traitj2traitj2.

The situation was already serious enough that it definitely didn't need j1/j3/telport added to that list.

It's like you're riding in a car that's speeding at 70mph in a rainstorm and you're telling everyone to relax because you might get lucky and it might not result in an accident. After hydroplaning and being in a serious wreck once, that's a chance I will never take again.