"I win. I always win." - The Official General Zod Discussion Thread

[Marcus]

I don't think this will work as you have to do 4 after PS with a timing that does not let you do f2 fast enough to get the cancel timing to d4. Sorry if that's hard to understand, but I don't know how to explain it differently.

Alright. Will grind it out then lol Thanks!

 

[B W1zZ]

Don't know if anyone uses this cancel but I was messing around and 123 4 1 4 D2 D4 is ridiculously easy...but unsure how to set up an ambiguous crossup/reset off of this.

Edit:

123 4 14 14 D2D4 works as well. My bad if this is old news.

 

[The Farmer]

i know Marcus likes to do d12 into batmobile in the batcave, but has anyone messed with the watchtower jet. You can d12, JET takeoff and carry into the combo while they are on fire, it resets while you combo them ablaze

 

[SimSim]

Alright the video with different cancels and other stuff with inputs is being rendered. Will probably link it here in a 10 min or so!

 

[SimSim]

i know Marcus likes to do d12 into batmobile in the batcave, but has anyone messed with the watchtower jet. You can d12, JET takeoff and carry into the combo while they are on fire, it resets while you combo them ablaze

Sadly they can block while they are on fire, so there is no way to continue the combo with zod that I know of.

 

[SimSim]

Here is the video with different zod stuff and inputs + hands showing:

AK Pig Of The Hut
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[The Farmer]

Sadly they can block while they are on fire, so there is no way to continue the combo with zod that I know of.

OK thanks Sim for the confirm just messing around on watchtower and was playing with this.

 

[atljonesbro1]

I think I found a left and right 50/50 off the whiff normal reset. I made sure to have the cpu hold back so i don't get one of those weird "cross ups" where they still block it on the same side. The only weird thing about this is that sometimes the computer would block the cross up if i did a later J2 but sometimes it wouldn't if I did it a little earlier. Either way it seemed to cross up, but idk why the cpu doesn't block it sometimes. Is it because i do the cross up on an earlier frame and the cpu doesn't walk back in time?

Anyways, a quick description of how to do it:
F213, 4, F2, 4, B2, D4, Slight Step Back, Whiff Standing 1, and either j2 or j3 slightly early.

You can do it with phantom strike after F213 but it makes the spacing somewhat inconsistent as sometimes you gotta step back slightly and sometimes you don't. It seems to be more consistant without the phantom strike. Here's a vid of it:

What do yall think?

 

[SimSim]

I think I found a left and right 50/50 off the whiff normal reset. I made sure to have the cpu hold back so i don't get one of those weird "cross ups" where they still block it on the same side. The only weird thing about this is that sometimes the computer would block the cross up if i did a later J2 but sometimes it wouldn't if I did it a little earlier. Either way it seemed to cross up, but idk why the cpu doesn't block it sometimes. Is it because i do the cross up on an earlier frame and the cpu doesn't walk back in time?

Anyways, a quick description of how to do it:
F213, 4, F2, 4, B2, D4, Slight Step Back, Whiff Standing 1, and either j2 or j3 slightly early.

You can do it with phantom strike after F213 but it makes the spacing somewhat inconsistent as sometimes you gotta step back slightly and sometimes you don't. It seems to be more consistant without the phantom strike. Here's a vid of it:

What do yall think?

That's definitely usefull if it's pretty easy to do Still I would like at least 30% before reset, but that's me!

I found this though: f213, 4, 3 xx MB side arm, dash xx trait grab. You dash cancel with d4 very quickly, but the distance you travel is enough for an ambiguous j2 after whiffing zod charge (Real cross up ambiguous this time)

 

[atljonesbro1]

That's definitely usefull if it's pretty easy to do Still I would like at least 30% before reset, but that's me!

I found this though: f213, 4, 3 xx MB side arm, dash xx trait grab. You dash cancel with d4 very quickly, but the distance you travel is enough for an ambiguous j2 after whiffing zod charge (Real cross up ambiguous this time)

Yeah it's 28%, but your only leaving like 12-14% on the table for a potential 44% or 45% combo added on to the 28%. It would but a total of 72% for a bar if you hit the j2 and 73% for a bar if you hit the j3 vs like 40-42% if you just take the damage. I think it's kind of worth it. You can mess with the phantom strike after f213 it bumps the damage up to like 32% or 33% but its hard to get consistent spacing in terms of knowing if you have to step back or not to have the j2 cross up properly and have the j3 not cross up.

 

[godlessmode]

You're such a pimp SimSim.

The only thing I can think of that might help is a touch of annotation or an explanation for some of the tricks. I expect a number of players are not aware of the IAZB/IAZC shortcut (the top players obviously know) but people learning may not realize that you can use UB~F in place of U~b~F and U~DB instead of U~D~B etc.

If you just watch your hands without knowing those shortcuts, the inputs look weird.



Also, so I don't get long-winded. Here is a very easy heuristic for reset value prediction.
And a very simple litmus for a reset with a 50/50 mixup is as follows.

If (raw combo damage > Reset/2) use the raw combo.
If (raw combo damage < Reset/2) use the reset.

This is only looking at the damage and assuming a 100% ambiguous 50/50 mixup. Other things to consider are risk and resource usage.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Don't know if anyone uses this cancel but I was messing around and 123 4 1 4 D2 D4 is ridiculously easy...but unsure how to set up an ambiguous crossup/reset off of this.

Edit:

123 4 14 14 D2D4 works as well. My bad if this is old news.

I really dig it

What's the damage on initial combo before reset?

 

[SimSim]

Yeah it's 28%, but your only leaving like 12-14% on the table for a potential 44% or 45% combo added on to the 28%. It would but a total of 72% for a bar if you hit the j2 and 73% for a bar if you hit the j3 vs like 40-42% if you just take the damage. I think it's kind of worth it. You can mess with the phantom strike after f213 it bumps the damage up to like 32% or 33% but its hard to get consistent spacing in terms of knowing if you have to step back or not to have the j2 cross up properly and have the j3 not cross up.

I found another one that is easy and deals 33% before reset: f213, 4, 3, 4, f2, 4, d2 xx d4 -> whiff 22 as fast as possible and hold up forward to cross up. The distance varies slightly, but you can either do 22 to cross or even some times whiff 1 and walk a step to be totally ambiguous.

 

[B W1zZ]

I really dig it

What's the damage on initial combo before reset?

23% if you only do 14 D2D4, 26% with 14 14 D2D4. Lower damage than some of the other ones but seems like a good tradeoff considering its easier to time.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

That's definitely usefull if it's pretty easy to do Still I would like at least 30% before reset, but that's me!

I found this though: f213, 4, 3 xx MB side arm, dash xx trait grab. You dash cancel with d4 very quickly, but the distance you travel is enough for an ambiguous j2 after whiffing zod charge (Real cross up ambiguous this time)

Yea while playing last night I noticed dashing after size arm allowed that

That's cool

 

[atljonesbro1]

I found another one that is easy and deals 33% before reset: f213, 4, 3, 4, f2, 4, d2 xx d4 -> whiff 22 as fast as possible and hold up forward to cross up. The distance varies slightly, but you can either do 22 to cross or even some times whiff 1 and walk a step to be totally ambiguous.

Very nice. This also works ending with B2 which is think it extremely easy to cancel into the grab and its the same as the previous one i posted where you take a slight step back, whiff standing 1, and cross up 2 or slight early 3 for no cross up. Ups the damage to 34% before reset as well.

 

[B W1zZ]

Just did F213 4 3 4 F2 4 3 D4 = 36% before reset ;0

Can get the crossup off of it pretty easily as well.

 

[SimSim]

Just did F213 4 3 4 F2 4 3 D4 = 36% before reset ;0

Can get the crossup off of it pretty easily as well.

Yea this works, but leaves you at a iffy position for a reset.

The most damaging and consistent for me atm is:
f213, 4, 3, 4, f2, 4, d2 xx 4 -> whiff 22, j2 cross
f213, 4 3 xx mb sidearm, dash xx d4 (very fast) ->whiff zod charge, j2 ambigous

 

[B W1zZ]

Yea this works, but leaves you at a iffy position for a reset.

The most damaging and consistent for me atm is:
f213, 4, 3, 4, f2, 4, d2 xx 4 -> whiff 22, j2 cross
f213, 4 3 xx mb sidearm, dash xx d4 (very fast) ->whiff zod charge, j2 ambigous

I seem to be getting the reset just fine.

 

[SimSim]

I seem to be getting the reset just fine.

Yea the reset is good! What I mean is to get in position for an ambiguous j2 after reset.

 

[B W1zZ]

Yea the reset is good! What I mean is to get in position for an ambiguous j2 after reset.

I just barely walk forward after the whiffed F2 and it crosses up everytime. Seems easy to crossup off of this.

 

[SimSim]

I just barely walk forward after the whiffed F2 and it crosses up everytime. Seems easy to crossup off of this.

Have you set the dummy to block? Because this is the problem I have been having. I can hit the cross up fine, but it is actually blocked by holding back, which makes Zod not cross up. Try to set the dummy to block. What character are you practicing against btw, because it might work better on smaller characters

 

[B W1zZ]

 

[M2Dave]

Have you set the dummy to block? Because this is the problem I have been having. I can hit the cross up fine, but it is actually blocked by holding back, which makes Zod not cross up. Try to set the dummy to block. What character are you practicing against btw, because it might work better on smaller characters

Some of you fools need to reread this post again more than once.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I have to get this shit down