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B W1zZ

Warrior
Are you getting it every time, or are you just able to get it some times? Just wondering about your consistency? Good stuff!
Okay I figured out that getting the crossup on F213 4 3 4 F2 4 3 D4 is contingent on how you time the combo itself....if you do the combo the fastest you can do it without the opponent flying over your head behind you (last 3 whiffing), then they will be closer when the grab connects. If you do the combo kind of slow they will be further away when the grab connects.
 
I arrived home last night. I have read and seen everything.

I am not criticizing. I need legitimate mix ups, not possible gimmicks, against my competition.
Even if they block the attempt to set up your reset you can still safely attempt:
4, F2, D4
4, F2 xx Low Laser
4, 213
4, 21 xx Low Laser

and whatever other mixups there are. So if you end a combo with 123, activate trait, then F213, you still free to continue your pressure with more mixups. If they get hit then you get a free 50/50 reset. Win win either way.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
SimSim, do you have any idea why slash is so hard to cancel to bite after back dashing? I am trying to do slash, back dash xx bite as fast as possible. Could you look into this cancel please?

By the way, the fastest possible way to cancel low laser to bite is to tap and keep holding 2, tap back, back, and immediately tap d+4.

In my opinion, the ideal mix up with Zod would be full screen away. Doing bite up close leaves you very vulnerable.
 

SimSim

Norwegian Lab-work Champion
SimSim, do you have any idea why slash is so hard to cancel to bite after back dashing? I am trying to do slash, back dash xx bite as fast as possible. Could you look into this cancel please?

By the way, the fastest possible way to cancel low laser to bite is to tap and keep holding 2, tap back, back, and immediately tap d+4.

In my opinion, the ideal mix up with Zod would be full screen away. Doing bite up close leaves you very vulnerable.
Do you mean when either doing 4 on the opponent while he is in the air or on the ground, then going for a backdash canceled in to d4? I don't have problems with this I think. Might be an issue if you try to do the d4 before trait has recovered from the slash?
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Do you mean when either doing 4 on the opponent while he is in the air or on the ground, then going for a backdash canceled in to d4? I don't have problems with this I think. Might be an issue if you try to do the d4 before trait has recovered from the slash?
Correct.

Doing 4 on the ground, going for a back dash, and canceling to d+4.

I assume the timing for this mix up is very strict because you have to wait a little after 4. Very annoying.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
The timing is something like...

d,b+2 (tap and keep holding 2), 4, neutral, tap back, back, and immediately tap d+4.

You also have to know when to tap 4 because if you do so too late, the low laser will explode and you will not have the chance to perform the mix up.

AK Pig Of The Hut was right. You have to work overtime with Zod. He had better be top 3 for all this effort when everything is said and done.
 

SimSim

Norwegian Lab-work Champion
The timing is something like...

d,b+2 (tap and keep holding 2), 4, neutral, tap back, back, and immediately tap d+4.

You also have to know when to tap 4 because if you do so too late, the low laser will explode and you will not have the chance to perform the mix up.

AK Pig Of The Hut was right. You have to work overtime with Zod. He had better be top 3 for all this effort when everything is said and done.
Yea, I think we should work on this:

4~db2~4, backdash xx d4
4~db2~4, MB
4~db2~4, 4, d4

The "4~db2~4" is a way to jail them to the ground while initiating a laser charge, where they have to worry about:
-Backdash cancel in to d4 for the overhead
-MB for early low
-Fully charged ground laser while using 4 to jail them, for a delayed low in to launch and d4

the "~" represents a fast timing you have to get down, to make the db2 "protected"/"jailed" both before and after you sart charging.

Zod might be top 3, but only if you devote your life to him lol. That dude requires more maintenance than a bad relationship!
 

sling1414

Apprentice
Well as someone who has no offline scene to go to that isn't a good 4 hours away, I see no point in continueing to play zod, I love him, hes fun, and ive been playing him since he came out, but theres really no point unless ur playing offline

not to mention theres quite a few characters that can do pretty much what he does but much easier
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Yea, I think we should work on this:

4~db2~4, backdash xx d4
4~db2~4, MB
4~db2~4, 4, d4

The "4~db2~4" is a way to jail them to the ground while initiating a laser charge, where they have to worry about:
-Backdash cancel in to d4 for the overhead
-MB for early low
-Fully charged ground laser while using 4 to jail them, for a delayed low in to launch and d4

the "~" represents a fast timing you have to get down, to make the db2 "protected"/"jailed" both before and after you sart charging.

Zod might be top 3, but only if you devote your life to him lol. That dude requires more maintenance than a bad relationship!
Through thick or thin ill only main Zod, he is my favorite character since age 4.

I feel most times i do the 4 db2 4 quickly like you guys are talking about.

Maybe another simsim example video

Simsim videos = Kreygasm
 

SimSim

Norwegian Lab-work Champion
Through thick or thin ill only main Zod, he is my favorite character since age 4.

I feel most times i do the 4 db2 4 quickly like you guys are talking about.

Maybe another simsim example video

Simsim videos = Kreygasm
So make a video of this?

4~db2~4, backdash xx d4
4~db2~4, MB
4~db2~4, 4, d4

I am sure you probably have that timing down pretty well (You are much better at jailing while throwing interactables than I am;) )

I am very happy that you guys are enjoying my videos!

I am not only making it to help you guys either. I want great Zod's out there for me to watch on streams lol, and I also enjoy editing videos etc. So please keep asking me for stuff if there is something you think could be useful/interesting:)
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
So make a video of this?

4~db2~4, backdash xx d4
4~db2~4, MB
4~db2~4, 4, d4

I am sure you probably have that timing down pretty well (You are much better at jailing while throwing interactables than I am;) )

I am very happy that you guys are enjoying my videos!

I am not only making it to help you guys either. I want reat Zod's out there for me to watch on streams lol, and I also enjoy editing videos etc. So please keep asking me for stuff if there is something you think could be useful/interesting:)
I do sometimes think to myself when on stream "I hope simsim likes what i do"

Im not joking lol, I want you to be happy w us USA zods :)
 

SimSim

Norwegian Lab-work Champion
I do sometimes think to myself when on stream "I hope simsim likes what i do"

Im not joking lol, I want you to be happy w us USA zods :)
And yet I am always mr critisimsim haha, but I do enjoy your Zod a lot on stream! If I some times come off as negative it is just because I see so much potential in Zod that I can't help seeing what could have been done better (And I know you do the same). That's the curse of the character: We might never feel that we are playing him to his fullest potential. (Even though Pig with hitbox perfected might come close;) )
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
And yet I am always mr critisimsim haha, but I do enjoy your Zod a lot on stream! If I some times come off as negative it is just because I see so much potential in Zod that I can't help seeing what could have been done better (And I know you do the same). That's the curse of the character: We might never feel that we are playing him to his fullest potential. (Even though Pig with hitbox perfected might come close;) )
im a little ways off but working on it w hit box

Appreciate it and yea lately ive been so focused on MUs that max damage combos and all went to the wayside but last week realized my MU issues might have more to do with not having my execution up to snuff in terms of IAZB and max damage combos (or close to it ) This led me to the hit box and that new journey as well as focusing a lot more in practice mode situational combos including background bounces which im focusing on a lot now.

IAZB daily practice is a must because i know how much that'll help in sinestro mu
 

PTG Slayer

Behold! The GOD of War!
im a little ways off but working on it w hit box

Appreciate it and yea lately ive been so focused on MUs that max damage combos and all went to the wayside but last week realized my MU issues might have more to do with not having my execution up to snuff in terms of IAZB and max damage combos (or close to it ) This led me to the hit box and that new journey as well as focusing a lot more in practice mode situational combos including background bounces which im focusing on a lot now.

IAZB daily practice is a must because i know how much that'll help in sinestro mu
That hunger is inspirational. Getting my Ares on point again as well. Can't wait to see your performance at NEC. You ARE going right?
 

PTG Slayer

Behold! The GOD of War!
yae 100% and i feel a huge target on my head for many reasons lol

I think you going back to ares is #1 the best decision ever
Yea, it took me playing other characters to fully understand Ares and what he's capable of, if that makes sense. Playing Doomsday, Zod, GL, Sinestro, Batman, and Raven, not maining, just playing them, kinda helped me develop a never before (Yet) seen tech with Ares. Can't wait to show you. Also, his MB teleports are making me GRIN SO HARD. The mindgames man, the MIND GAMES!
 

godlessmode

Apprentice
currently im hitting them better on pad and on hit box they are too high :(

I Needs moar wurk :(

The key for me was/is reminding myself of the shortcut. IAZB on a hitbox is only 2 inputs. Oh and it was also critical for me to use my right thumb for the up portion.

Right thumb = Up
Left hand hits = D+B and Right hand hits attack all at the same time.