"I win. I always win." - The Official General Zod Discussion Thread

[SimSim]

Am I missing something here?

This tech sounds nice (although it's pretty old tech, it was how Batgirl did her infinite when she was released) but in practice with Zod I am struggling to see how it compares to frosts.

The reason Frost has such a strong vortex is because of the speed/safety of her F3/Slide. You cannot react to either of her 50/50 starters, she does decent-to-high damage and is at almost no risk during the setup.

Zod doesn't have the same quality of 50/50 combo starters that, at least that I am aware of. His only strong/fast overhead option is the trait, and you will be using that up to start the reset. Most of his other options are punishable, react-able, low yield, or all of the above.

SimSim offers the closest to a strong/viable mix-up IMO in his ambiguous cross-up ji2 setups, and as long as they are truly ambiguous then they are probably what will work best long term for Zod.

I think you will find that the previous 3 posts I have written in this thread supports what you just said. I think this tech can be useful, but I do not share the enthusiasm entirely

You bring up a third factor that I maybe should have included in my "essay" on resets: Safety of the mix up. Though, 21 xx MB laser vs 231 xx MB laser (Which I see as the only good grounded non-trait mix ups with zod) can both be pretty safe.

 

[godlessmode]

I think you will find that the previous 3 posts I have written in this thread supports what you just said. I think this tech can be useful, but I do not share the enthusiasm entirely

Haha yeah, I didn't keep up on the thread over the weekend so I am reading through 75+ posts of super excited Zod players talking about General Frost/Killer Zod.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I go to sleep and this forum goes ham.

-The freeze/trap reset was already front paged a long time ago
-ending in mb side arm -> d4 does not lead to a cross up as a part o the mix up (since sinestro can block back no matter what - It might hit cross up if sinestro doesn't block some times, but never if he blocks back)
-I land 4, 3 xx d4 like 95% of the time, so clearly it is very possible to get consistently. I think the reason why you are not getting it is because of your lack of familiarity with the 4, f2 xx d4 set up (Which I seem to use more than you in my gamepplay). The 4, 3 xx d4 is easier though: You do f2, then 4 right away, then waith 0.1 sec for the 4 to knock them close to your body (But it doesn't really feel like a wait to me, I do it really fast, just not plinking fas), then cancel that 3 by pressing d4 as fast as possible after pressing the 3)
- What do you mean j2 1? If you mean j2 to hit the opponent and use the hitstun to mix them up, then yes, he can do that, but as I explained earlier as a counter argument to this, in that reset you won't be able to use an ambiguous j2 as a part of the mix up, which increases it's mix up potential exponentially.
-This does not work with the pipe on Asylum

i can do 4 f2 d4 very very easily

yet i can not do 3 d4 at all

idk how its the same unless im missing something

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Haha yeah, I didn't keep up on the thread over the weekend so I am reading through 75+ posts of super excited Zod players talking about General Frost/Killer Zod.

idk i think this tech especially w the cross up is about as dangerous as frost command grab mb

we'll see

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

i can do 4 f2 d4 very very easily

yet i can not do 3 d4 at all

idk how its the same unless im missing something

Because adding the combo before 4 3 d4 messes with the timing I think. Lot of variables

 

[SimSim]

i can do 4 f2 d4 very very easily

yet i can not do 3 d4 at all

idk how its the same unless im missing something

The clue is to be able to do the 3 very fast after the f2, 4. If you rush it and do the 4 too fast after f2, you have not recovered yet and won't be able to 3 xx d4 fast enough.

Is there any way I can help you with this? Provide slow motion video with inputs on? I can try to record my hands while doing it too, but I am on stick, so it might not help you. I just want to be of assistance as I think it's important that execution doesn't become a barrier for you!

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

The clue is to be able to do the 3 very fast after the f2, 4. If you rush it and do the 4 too fast after f2, you have not recovered yet and won't be able to 3 xx d4 fast enough.

Is there any way I can help you with this? Provide slow motion video with inputs on? I can try to record my hands while doing it too, but I am on stick, so it might not help you. I just want to be of assistance as I think it's important that execution doesn't become a barrier for you!

i agree, I dont want it to be a barrier

Ive been really working on it lately in all facets of my game. Video could help

Im about to start trying again in practice mode

 

[Johnny2d]

The clue is to be able to do the 3 very fast after the f2, 4. If you rush it and do the 4 too fast after f2, you have not recovered yet and won't be able to 3 xx d4 fast enough.

Is there any way I can help you with this? Provide slow motion video with inputs on? I can try to record my hands while doing it too, but I am on stick, so it might not help you. I just want to be of assistance as I think it's important that execution doesn't become a barrier for you!

I'm still working on the execution of canceling to d4 in general and I think any sort of timing, with slowmo video that you could provide would be helpful not only to pig but to everyone on the zod learning curve. Even though not everyone uses stick, hearing and seeing your inputs would be of great help.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I'm still working on the execution of canceling to d4 in general and I think any sort of timing, with slowmo video that you could provide would be helpful not only to pig but to everyone on the zod learning curve. Even though not everyone uses stick, hearing and seeing your inputs would be of great help.

its so frustrating cause i can do all of the cancels except this new one from SimSim

 

[godlessmode]

idk i think this tech especially w the cross up is about as dangerous as frost command grab mb

we'll see

If you saw the post I made right before that one, I believe the ambiguous JI2 tech has long-term viability assuming it truly is ambiguous. The other stuff is good gimicks and will be viable right now, but will lose viability as players adapt to it.

I don't believe it's as potent as the KF/Batgirl variations. It doesn't really need to be though for it to have an impact, Zod isn't a traditional vortex character, and having that option at his finger tips is not insignificant.

 

[SimSim]

I'm still working on the execution of canceling to d4 in general and I think any sort of timing, with slowmo video that you could provide would be helpful not only to pig but to everyone on the zod learning curve. Even though not everyone uses stick, hearing and seeing your inputs would be of great help.

Haha then I am going to ask a question to everyone that might be interested: Is there any other combos or strings you want me to get stick footage of while I am at it?

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Haha then I am going to ask a question to everyone that might be interested: Is there any other combos or strings you want me to get stick footage of while I am at it?

b3 mb dash nj 2 ball combos would be nice

 

[godlessmode]

Haha then I am going to ask a question to everyone that might be interested: Is there any other combos or strings you want me to get stick footage of while I am at it?

Things I think Zods may benefit from seeing input on:
IAZB
IAZC
D4 Cancels

Edit: Oh and the double ZB combos after B3 (that second ZB has crazy tight timing).

I personally use a hitbox for this game, but I can imagine people learning Zod struggling with those three things. I found getting a low-as-possible IAZB to be a nightmare on a stick.

 

[B W1zZ]

I'm starting to get the hang of the 4 f2 4 3 d4 cancel...I play on stick but there's a rhythm to it...very slight delay in between the f2 4 then 3 d4 is done faster so the grab comes out..

Looks like I hopped on zod at the right time : ) these setups are ridiculous.

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[Johnny2d]

Haha then I am going to ask a question to everyone that might be interested: Is there any other combos or strings you want me to get stick footage of while I am at it?

I'm mostly interested in the d4 cancels, and combos that use d4 cancels. Any of the combos from the trait grab reset and freeze trap videos. Thanks in advance.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

SimSim

good news is i can do ambiguous cross up off of f213 4 d2 d4 and 11d2 4 d2 d4

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

I'm still going to advocate <favorite string> xx PS 4 d4 is where I think we will ultimately gravitate towards due to ease of use. Just my two cents

 

[SimSim]

Ok I will try to record this:
-b3 mb dash nj 2 ball combos
-IAZB
-IAZC
-D4 Cancels
-combos that use d4 cancels
-Ofc the combos in to PS, 4, f2, 4, 3 xx d4

Just add to this if I missed something, and please be a little specific so I will know which one you mean right away

I will try to make a nice video out of this later, but I only have 30fps footage of hands, so I will use the same for the game (Won't look AS smooth in slow motion)

 

[godlessmode]

(Won't look AS smooth in slow motion)

Not sure if you have it already, maybe you do. But I use Twixtor for my slow-motion effects on videos, it basically draws in extra frames based on extrapolated information.

It may help with the Slow-Mo.

You may already use it.

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Ok I will try to record this:
-b3 mb dash nj 2 ball combos
-IAZB
-IAZC
-D4 Cancels
-combos that use d4 cancels
-Ofc the combos in to PS, 4, f2, 4, 3 xx d4

Just add to this if I missed something, and please be a little specific so I will know which one you mean right away

I will try to make a nice video out of this later, but I only have 30fps footage of hands, so I will use the same for the game (Won't look AS smooth in slow motion)

Mind tossing in my <string> xx PS 4 d4 too?

 

[SimSim]

Mind tossing in my <string> xx PS 4 d4 too?

So basically 123, 213, f213 etc. in to PS? Will do!

 

[Marcus]

I get limited playtime lately so I might do an easier version of the trait grab resets first. Will this work?

f213 xx ps, 4, f2, d4, whiff normal, dash, nj1/2, 213 mixups?

 

[SimSim]

I get limited playtime lately so I might do an easier version of the trait grab resets first. Will this work?

f213 xx ps, 4, f2, d4, whiff normal, dash, nj1/2, 213 mixups?

I don't think this will work as you have to do 4 after PS with a timing that does not let you do f2 fast enough to get the cancel timing to d4. Sorry if that's hard to understand, but I don't know how to explain it differently.

 

[godlessmode]

I don't think this will work as you have to do 4 after PS with a timing that does not let you do f2 fast enough to get the cancel timing to d4. Sorry if that's hard to understand, but I don't know how to explain it differently.

I'm speculating that this is because of the recovery on PS preventing the F2 timing that would otherwise be used?

 

[SimSim]

I'm speculating that this is because of the recovery on PS preventing the F2 timing that would otherwise be used?

Yea that's exactly correct. Btw twixtor wasn't free so I doubt I will use it