Match-up Discussion Becoming the Pope - The General Zod Matchup Thread

[MrAvA]

What do you guys think of the Grundy MU? I'm having a hard time playing against Tyrant, the way be moves is so scary. He touches you and you lose 40-60% every time. You try to zone him he will walking corpse everything and I mean everything. I get punish even when all MB Air Zod balls connect, MB laser, and MB sidearm as well. I can't even start my zoning game in the ground because MB swamp hands will catch most of my stuff and that's when he does the most damaging combos or resets. The only time I can do damage is when I let him hit me with 112 or walking corpse but I get my trait to grab him at the near of his string so he doesn't use his armor to get out. I feel like this MU is basically you live or die by the trait.

 

[M2Dave]

What do you guys think of the Grundy MU? I'm having a hard time playing against Tyrant, the way be moves is so scary. He touches you and you lose 40-60% every time. You try to zone him he will walking corpse everything and I mean everything. I get punish even when all MB Air Zod balls connect, MB laser, and MB sidearm as well. I can't even start my zoning game in the ground because MB swamp hands will catch most of my stuff and that's when he does the most damaging combos or resets. The only time I can do damage is when I let him hit me with 112 or walking corpse but I get my trait to grab him at the near of his string so he doesn't use his armor to get out. I feel like this MU is basically you live or die by the trait.

You carefully zone with gunshot, slow force ball, and instant aerial slow force ball and run away with aerial charge. If you are nearing a corner, you activate trait, mash the 4 button, and aerial charge to the other side of the screen. Zone and run until you are nearing a corner again. Rinse and repeat. This is the basic strategy in this fight. At no point should you ever attempt any offense other than a throw.

The Grundy player cannot react to gunshot with the MB swamp hands. But to force a bait, fake the gunshot using standing 1 and crouch block. If there is a slow force ball already on the screen and the Grundy player connects MB swamp hands, he cannot combo because he cannot dash to get to you in time. If the Grundy player uses walking corpse to avoid the zoning, you should not panic. Grundy still takes full damage on all projectiles, so you are winning. Only MB swamp hands is a threat full screen away. Besides, walking corpse, even when canceled, gives a guaranteed escape with aerial charge if you are in the air. You can also go for a throw if the player is canceling the walking corpse predictably.

Hopefully, I can play Tyrant if I go to NEC. But Zod has trait to avoid cornering himself and aerial charge to run away. I think he has it better than most characters, who are dead when they get cornered.

 

[dribirut]

What do you guys think of the bladam mu. Starting to play Zoe again and that mu felt tough. Black magic keeps jump backs and trait in check. Zod doesn't really have a reliable way of punishing lower dive kicks as well. His footsies tools are better as well. You also obviously can't zone.him

 

[MrAvA]

You carefully zone with gunshot, slow force ball, and instant aerial slow force ball and run away with aerial charge. If you are nearing a corner, you activate trait, mash the 4 button, and aerial charge to the other side of the screen. Zone and run until you are nearing a corner again. Rinse and repeat. This is the basic strategy in this fight. At no point should you ever attempt any offense other than a throw.

The Grundy player cannot react to gunshot with the MB swamp hands. But to force a bait, fake the gunshot using standing 1 and crouch block. If there is a slow force ball already on the screen and the Grundy player connects MB swamp hands, he cannot combo because he cannot dash to get to you in time. If the Grundy player uses walking corpse to avoid the zoning, you should not panic. Grundy still takes full damage on all projectiles, so you are winning. Only MB swamp hands is a threat full screen away. Besides, walking corpse, even when canceled, gives a guaranteed escape with aerial charge if you are in the air. You can also go for a throw if the player is canceling the walking corpse predictably.

Hopefully, I can play Tyrant if I go to NEC. But Zod has trait to avoid cornering himself and aerial charge to run away. I think he has it better than most characters, who are dead when they get cornered.

Thanks for the advice, I really do appreciate it. I normally do well against good Grundy but with Tyrant its just "different". He usually goes for the resets that are inescapable or does a hard knockdown that mess up the timing for wake ups for some reason. I would try to MB F3 or B3 to catch him unguard but he adapts with his set up where Grundy hits ur head cancel to WC to hit ur head again to WC to trait grab which make you move whiff. Maybe I just suck in general and I have to hold that but anyways hope you and pig go to NEC do work for the zod forums. Hope you can record some hype matches.

 

[SimSim]

SimSim

I need your brain

Whats the best combo you have off of F3 starter that DOES NOT have a mb laser

I have f3 ji3 Trait Swipe 3 4 112 zc mb 39%

f3, j2 xx zod ball, 4, j2 xx slow zod ball, j2 xx fast slow ball, dash, 112 xx MB zod charge = 45%

Edit: Why did you want this specific situation?

 

[M2Dave]

What do you guys think of the bladam mu. Starting to play Zoe again and that mu felt tough. Black magic keeps jump backs and trait in check. Zod doesn't really have a reliable way of punishing lower dive kicks as well. His footsies tools are better as well. You also obviously can't zone him.

You actually can. Zod outzones all characters except a couple.

Blocked black magic guarantees trait activation and lightning strike can be jumped on reaction full screen away. More importantly, lightning strike no longer connects on an instant aerial force ball. Black magic still does but not on reaction. The point is, you can fill the screen with aerial force balls and there is little Black Adam can do. They can do preemptive black magic, which, again, guarantees trait activation when blocked.

At mid range, the aerial charge, which is noticeably slower but still has great priority, shuts down any dive kicks and aerial movement. Phantom strike also outranges b+2 and lightning storm. b+2,3 followed by d+1 is parriable. Parry wisely, though.

I just do phantom strike against well-spaced dive kicks. If you punish, good. If not, Black Adam must still block.

Zod has arguably the best aerial control in the game. If every character had aerial force balls, Zod's charge and trait, nobody would ever complain about Black Adam. He still makes the match very competitive, though. His damage output is still very high (i.e., 45%+ after b+2, 40% after MB dive kick, etc.).

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Yeah, the BA matchup, I'll admit, I am not particularly well versed in, but just from what I've seen and played I could tell that the match wasn't even close to as bad as others. Too many of BA's most powerful tactics Zod has an answer for, which Dave laid out for you a minute ago. I'm not sure, but could you react with something to a BA jump back into MB Dive Kick at mid range?

Also, General M2Dave , I heard in one of the other threads you are from Ohio? If so, where?

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

f3, j2 xx zod ball, 4, j2 xx slow zod ball, j2 xx fast slow ball, dash, 112 xx MB zod charge = 45%

Edit: Why did you want this specific situation?

Well....f3 causes 1 hit launch....maybe for the Aquaman matchup? It'd make sense if he's looking into that, given his aversion to MB laser. Or, you know, corner combos.

 

[M2Dave]

Yeah, the BA matchup, I'll admit, I am not particularly well versed in, but just from what I've seen and played I could tell that the match wasn't even close to as bad as others. Too many of BA's most powerful tactics Zod has an answer for, which Dave laid out for you a minute ago. I'm not sure, but could you react with something to a BA jump back into MB Dive Kick at mid range?

Also, General M2Dave , I heard in one of the other threads you are from Ohio? If so, where?

You do instant aerial Zod charge, which beats jump back MB dive kick at mid range.

I am from Cleveland.

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

You do instant aerial Zod charge, which beats jump back MB dive kick at mid range.

I am from Cleveland.

Hmmm...that's about an hours drive away from me. How strong is the scene out there?

How about standing ZC or Phantom Strike?

 

[M2Dave]

Hmmm...that's about an hours drive away from me. How strong is the scene out there?

How about standing ZC or Phantom Strike?

They could work, but I would not try either one. 40% of damage is too much to lose. Just use instant aerial charge. Always guaranteed.

Cleveland has one of the best Injustice: GAU scenes when everybody is willing to show up. We have Perfect Legend, King, Playing to W1n, THTB, RiBBz, Master D., etc. and everybody uses a variety of different characters.

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

They could work, but I would not try either one. 40% of damage is too much to lose. Just use instant aerial charge. Always guaranteed.

Cleveland has one of the best Injustice: GAU scenes when everybody is willing to show up. We have Perfect Legend, King, Playing to W1n, THTB, RiBBz, Master D., etc. and everybody uses a variety of different characters.

And on what days do you guys all meet up? Weekly or what? Also time of day.

My thinking is that PS is already a strong footsie tool, might do well in response and what not. Plus, the thing is a literal wall of energy with huge range. I could see it doing well vs jump back and it'd be less risky if it's good against stuffing jump backs in general.

 

[M2Dave]

And on what days do you guys all meet up? Weekly or what? Also time of day.

Thursday around 6PM.

But I prefer to organize a different day when only the Injustice: GAU players show up, so that we have more set ups.

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Thursday around 6PM.

But I prefer to organize a different day when only the Injustice: GAU players show up, so that we have more set ups.

Gotcha. Is there some link I can go to for more info? I wouldn't mind going I think, but I'd need more info.

Also, as a warning, I have absolutely NO offline experience and am terrabad. I just know my information and can grasp the idea of how people are good.

 

[M2Dave]

Gotcha. Is there some link I can go to for more info? I wouldn't mind going I think, but I'd need more info.

Also, as a warning, I have absolutely NO offline experience and am terrabad. I just know my information and can grasp the idea of how people are good.

Send PLAYING TO W1N a private message. He is in charge.

He is currently on vacation, though.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

What do you guys think of the bladam mu. Starting to play Zoe again and that mu felt tough. Black magic keeps jump backs and trait in check. Zod doesn't really have a reliable way of punishing lower dive kicks as well. His footsies tools are better as well. You also obviously can't zone.him

AK Smarrgasm and I ran it for today

It's without doubt 6-4 ZOD favor

He can post why

I can add more tonight or something but I'm busy and just saw this

Definitely ZOD favor

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

AK Smarrgasm and I ran it for today

It's without doubt 6-4 ZOD favor

He can post why

I can add more tonight or something but I'm busy and just saw this

Definitely ZOD favor

Hope he does. Would like to hear from a BA perspective.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

f3, j2 xx zod ball, 4, j2 xx slow zod ball, j2 xx fast slow ball, dash, 112 xx MB zod charge = 45%

Edit: Why did you want this specific situation?

U wanna possibly do some tech stuff tonight?

I was gonna show u but ill just tell u. I've added a whole new bag of tricks w my rush down and boy does it work and actually opens up all other options more

SPECIFICALLY awesome vs Aquaman who can not trait out of f3 hit when rushed down by ZOD and connects it

It's why we can't do 12 MB laser anywhere cause it's a free out for him

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Bye SimSim that's awesome

I really need to work on it, my ji2 ZOD ball combos are not where they need to be

 

[Qwark28]

U wanna possibly do some tech stuff tonight?

I was gonna show u but ill just tell u. I've added a whole new bag of tricks w my rush down and boy does it work and actually opens up all other options more

SPECIFICALLY awesome vs Aquaman who can not trait out of f3 hit when rushed down by ZOD and connects it

It's why we can't do 12 MB laser anywhere cause it's a free out for him

something ive been wondering

why do you always say ZOD instead of zod

ZOD

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

U wanna possibly do some tech stuff tonight?

I was gonna show u but ill just tell u. I've added a whole new bag of tricks w my rush down and boy does it work and actually opens up all other options more

SPECIFICALLY awesome vs Aquaman who can not trait out of f3 hit when rushed down by ZOD and connects it

It's why we can't do 12 MB laser anywhere cause it's a free out for him

Can you stream this? I wanna see it if possible. And maybe contribute if I can

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

something ive been wondering

why do you always say ZOD instead of zod

ZOD

99% of my posts are on an iPhone

ZOD is not a real word

I use autocorrect

So to type the word and post I once typed capital ZOD

Since then it always remember it and when I type ZOD it automatically does it

See picture ZOD

@qwark
Same thing happens when I type deG name

deg222

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Can you stream this? I wanna see it if possible. And maybe contribute if I can

Yea

We are going to share ideas and test stuff

 

[Qwark28]

99% of my posts are on an iPhone

ZOD is not a real word

I use autocorrect

So to type the word and post I once typed capital ZOD

Since then it always remember it and when I type ZOD it automatically does it

See picture ZOD

thats awesome, never wouldve imagined that

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

thats awesome, never wouldve imagined that

My explanation was boss