This game is ridiculously balanced

[Chaosphere]

I think he meant how the top handful pretty much invalidates most of the lower characters. And that's pretty true.

Almost. For example, GGA Jeremiah vs KH Cat at Final Round 2012.

 

[trufenix]

Sure, you can pick one of the best characters in the game and one of the worst and use it as an example of imbalance. But I was mainly addressing your claim that a lot of matchups are lost at the character select screen. I just don't see that as true. But to each their own.

It's not about one particular match up, its about the part where if I turn up at a tournament with one of about 15 characters in the game, someone in the tourney is just going to blow my back out at the character select screen. That's viability. If I have all day to study the hell out of a particular Kabal or Reptile player, sure, I can probably take them with my Sheeva, but that's not how tourneys work. Injustice doesn't have (many) matchups that are so lopsided you're just fucked like that.

 

[jaym7018]

I agree with DS and Batman on that list in terms of not being designed rigidly, but again thats why I said 90% maybe closer to 80% would be a better estimate.

My point is not that p2w's sisestro is not different than wound's( one could be better than zoning than the other for example and better at baiting). My point is that sinestro as a character has been designed in such a limiting fashion that a single strategy dominates his play. Superman falls under the character that is not so rigid, and that's what makes him so good.

But keep in mind, this is how I personally feel about the game. It's not necessary right, but just my observation and criticism from having played numerous fighting game. I could be very wrong. And again this might even be what the majority like to have in their fighting game, it's not necessarily bad. It's just not what I would consider to be good.

But to even an untrained eye its clear your opinion is wrong. Wound and P2W play the same character but they have completely different strategies towards getting their wins. What your saying is essentially me saying Ryu has no depth cause everyone uses crouching MK and hadoukens.

 

[killa_solid]

But to even an untrained eye its clear your opinion is wrong. Wound and P2W play the same character but they have completely different strategies towards getting their wins. What your saying is essentially me saying Ryu has no depth cause everyone uses crouching MK and hadoukens.

I don't agree that they use completely different strategies. Maybe I have an extremely untrained eye.. idk.

 

[Rampage254]

But to even an untrained eye its clear your opinion is wrong. Wound and P2W play the same character but they have completely different strategies towards getting their wins. What your saying is essentially me saying Ryu has no depth cause everyone uses crouching MK and hadoukens.

Opinions can't be wrong, that's why they're called opinions. Stay positive.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

My opinion: is that your opinion is wrong about opinions. stay negative.

 

[TarkatanDentist]

Opinions can't be wrong, that's why they're called opinions. Stay positive.

That's complete bullshit.

 

[Rampage254]

That's complete bullshit.

You're wrong because I said so. My opinion.

 

[Chaosphere]

Opinions can't be wrong, that's why they're called opinions. Stay positive.

Opinions can be very wrong. For example, racism.

 

[Spyridon]

i love this game. i just hope ppl move away from the arguing and pettiness now. and moving forward let the game evolve and stay competitive and give players the credit the deserve and not blame it on specific characters. i believe now that the game is much more balanced, it will allow the fundamentals to shine and not "oh well you play a braindead character."

Yeah people get caught up comparing games to others rather than enjoying them for what they are, and recognizing the strengths of the game.

I feel the cast of this game is incredibly unique, varied, and the balance is incredible as others have stated. Sure it's not perfect, but compared to other games? Especially games that have only been out for ~6 months? It's amazing, especially with how many characters appeared in the top 8.

Many others complain about the differences between IGAU and MK/other fighters, but to be honest, the differences are what makes the game great for me. It doesn't "feel" like a clone of every other fighter out there, it has a more unique feel. Which is rare in the fighting game genre these days.

Another major complaint has been about how MK/other games have so much more tech, but this game is developing and as such people are developing more and more tech, bridging that gap as well.

I hope people just start trying to have fun, learn, and try to be competitive rather than compare and complain.

 

[Rampage254]

Opinions can be very wrong. For example, racism.

Oh God, people take shit too serious around here I forgot.

 

[D7MHellcat]

Ya this is exactly how I see this game. Character viability in this game come from having tools you can just abuse mindlessly instead of having the tools to beat a character on a fundamental level. And if what your opponent's has shuts down yours, you are pretty much screwed bc 90% of a cast is designed so rigidly that they can only be played effectively with a single strategy leaving no room for individual input.
To me this game is very balanced in the same way that a game of rock paper scissors is very balanced, but again I wouldnt spend time and money to travel to play rock paper scissors competitively. At the end of the day, this is the least rewarding fighting game I have played. Wins and losses feel very empty.

This is why we should all play 3D fighters!

Kidding of course, but seriously i think you would love VF. I can't even play anymore because I have no one to play with .
I'm tempted to run out and buy DOA5U like right now...hmm

 

[Chaosphere]

Oh God, people take shit too serious around here I forgot.

stay positive man

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

But to even an untrained eye its clear your opinion is wrong. Wound and P2W play the same character but they have completely different strategies towards getting their wins. What your saying is essentially me saying Ryu has no depth cause everyone uses crouching MK and hadoukens.

Dude
to the untrained eye.... it looks the same

Why do you think stream monsters killed everyone at evo for being anti hype..... because they couldn't tell the difference between any one character

Maybe to the TRAINED eye you can see subtle differences in how each person plays, and in long sets you'll def see different patterns and favorite setups

but in a short set...... tis all the same.

 

[RYX]

Opinions can be very wrong. For example, racism.

Depends on your moral standards. Racism was the norm not too long ago.

 

[Chaosphere]

Depends on your moral standards. Racism was the norm not too long ago.

It was the norm, but it was still wrong.

The christian god command tribes to rape and murder other tribes in the old testament. But even though god commanded it, it was still fucking terrible and wrong and morally inexcusable. Yeah I went there.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

/thread

 

[RYX]

It was the norm, but it was still wrong.

The christian god command tribes to rape and murder other tribes in the old testament. But even though god commanded it, it was still fucking terrible and wrong and morally inexcusable. Yeah I went there.

perspective man

We got off topic though

 

[Srryimwhte]

How can you say this game is balance when Scorpion is pretty much two different characters online and off? He's so shittily designed he's probably got a 6-4 mirror match-up.

you just compared online play to offline play your comment is irrelevant good day sir

 

[jaym7018]

Dude
to the untrained eye.... it looks the same

Why do you think stream monsters killed everyone at evo for being anti hype..... because they couldn't tell the difference between any one character

Maybe to the TRAINED eye you can see subtle differences in how each person plays, and in long sets you'll def see different patterns and favorite setups

but in a short set...... tis all the same.

If thats the case then why doesnt other games get the same ridcule. I dont see people saying all Ryus look the same. The crowd being anti hype i think has more to do that superman being able to play in different ways and still be the best character. Anyone who plays fighting games should be able to see differences in theo and kdzs supermans.

 

[masterofkabal]

How can you say this game is balance when Scorpion is pretty much two different characters online and off? He's so shittily designed he's probably got a 6-4 mirror match-up.

this is the worst comment in thread. how it got any likes is beyond my hope for humanity

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Zod. Batman. Bane. MMH. Lobo. Black Adam. Wonder Woman (supposedly) and Deathstroke.

These are all proven viable characters with numerous ways to play and no one single, abusable move. I'm ignoring characters that aren't varied AND viable since it's still a pretty linear game. You could probably include Shazam, Arrow, Lex and Joker in there though

Batman bats are hella abuseable. And I know some Shazams are blowing it up, as well as Lex. Reo for shazam, rev0lver for Lex pimpimjim for both of them. Haven't heard from KH cat in a while but I bet he turns something out soon for loljker

Also, we went to the 7th page on a thread that has a hard opinion as the title before a flame war truly got going. Good job TYM! And no, that is not sarcastic.

 

[RYX]

Batman bats are hella abuseable. And I know some Shazams are blowing it up, as well as Lex. Reo for shazam, rev0lver for Lex pimpimjim for both of them. Haven't heard from KH cat in a while but I bet he turns something out soon for loljker

Also, we went to the 7th page on a thread that has a hard opinion as the title before a flame war truly got going. Good job TYM! And no, that is not sarcastic.

Well, it's not an end all be all "brain dead" move like, say, Superman or Killer Frost have at their disposal.

It's definitely annoying but you have to be smart with them to be successful.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Almost. For example, GGA Jeremiah vs KH Cat at Final Round 2012.

You can only really talk honestly about matchups if you're referring to two people that are both familiar with the matchup. Otherwise, anyone stands a chance of losing a set to almost any character.

 

[Immortal]

I'm not determining the tierlist based on tournament results, I'm basing the tierlist off of the characters' tools and matchups in my opinion. If you based tierlists on tournament results, Cage and Kitana would be top tier, and in Injustice green arrow would be top tier lol. In my opinion Sonya only loses to 3 characters, Freddy Kabal and Kenshi. In my opinion Kung Lao loses to 4 characters, Kitana Kabal Cyrax and Cage. So Sonya is higher on the tierlist in my opinion because she loses to less characters. Also she beats alot of the lower tier characters worse than Kung Lao beats them. And honestly alot of people say that Sonya beats Kung Lao 6-4, and sometimes I want to believe that

As far as Cyrax goes, in my opinion Cyrax only loses 1 matchup: Kabal. Cyrax goes 5-5 with like seven or eight differenct characters, but he only has 1 losing matchup. So that's why he is top 3 in my opinion

I respect your opinion. I don't agree with it but i respect it.

That being said, could you please explain me how Sonya doesn't lose to lets say Cyrax? I dont play either of this characters but last time i saw MyGod (which in my opinion is a great Sonya player) vs Denzel it was pretty one sided.

also KL lose to Kitana and Cage? Wait, what?

Like i said you're a good if not very good KL players, so can you explain this to me? I would more likely said that KL lose to a good Kenshi (i agree on that with Pig if memory serves me good) then to Kitana or Cage.