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"Prepare to be Astounded!" - Zatanna General Discussion Thread

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nuttyAFA

Noob
Reborn said:
Exactly, just teleport backwards and you are back to full screen zoning. You can also do this trick midscreen since both 2 and df1 do not push the opponent back at all.
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2 does seem to push them back for me. the shots don't, and 1 doesn't either but its a high sadly. which is fair, because you could basically do this on their 2nd health bar and completely eliminate their ability to not only clash, but win a clash cuz they have to burn meter on push block lol
 
Reborn

Reborn

Noob
atljonesbro1 said:
That can be ducked after the 2. I just tried that online and got punished hard :(
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Her 2 is a mid, it should still connect on ducking characters (unless someone with a small hitbox can duck it?). I haven't tried it on every character but it works fine on the few that I have.
 
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atljonesbro1

Mortal
Reborn said:
Her 2 is a mid, it should still connect on ducking characters (unless someone with a small hitbox can duck it?). I haven't tried it on every character but it works fine on the few that I have.
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I know the 2 can hit but the fireball whiffed for me. But in practice mode this seems to work. Maybe I accidently hit the wrong button.
 
Reborn

Reborn

Noob
nuttyAFA said:
2 does seem to push them back for me. the shots don't, and 1 doesn't either but its a high sadly. which is fair, because you could basically do this on their 2nd health bar and completely eliminate their ability to not only clash, but win a clash cuz they have to burn meter on push block lol
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The 2 does look like it has some push back but this can be done midscreen.
 
Reborn

Reborn

Noob
atljonesbro1 said:
I know the 2 can hit but the fireball whiffed for me. But in practice mode this seems to work. Maybe I accidently hit the wrong button.
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What most likely happened is that you didn't let the fireball animation finish before you pressed 2 so it didn't come out so you just threw a raw fireball. It does take a bit of timing but 10-15 min of practice and you should be dandy (online is another story lol).
 
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nuttyAFA

Noob
yes the fireball will whiff on ducking characters even after blocking the 2...unless its lex cuz the game hates him lol. probably other big hitbox characters too, or ones that sit high during their blocking while ducking
 
Reborn

Reborn

Noob
nuttyAFA said:
yes the fireball will whiff on ducking characters even after blocking the 2...unless its lex cuz the game hates him lol. probably other big hitbox characters too, or ones that sit high during their blocking while ducking
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The 2 jails them so they cannot duck the fireball if you cancel into it.
 
Reborn

Reborn

Noob
atljonesbro1 said:
I tested this on Deathstroke with reversal quick shots which is 11 frames and am getting punished unfortunately. So a lot of other moves can probably beat this loop.
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Yeah I guess you are right. You can actually 2 xx df1 then hit 1 to stuff the quick fire and his sword spin. I don't understand why it doesn't work though. If the fireball leaves you +5 and her 1 and 2 normals are 6 and 7 frames on startup, respectively; then why does a move with 7 frames of startup (sword spin/sword flip) beat out her 2 normal but not 1. Do some moves have invincibility frames on reversal or something? I would really appreciate if someone could explain it to me.

EDIT: Frame data in the game could also be wrong.
 
Reborn

Reborn

Noob
So apparently when I was testing on Superman, trait 2 into fireball does not give ANY push back and I can do it midscreen forever. When I try it on any other character, there is pushback and will wiff by the 3 rep. Superman has differently block properties than the rest of the cast and caused me to waste a bunch of time getting my hopes up due to a bug in the game. Netherream needs to fix their game lol.

Apparently this bug isn't just with Superman! Wonder Woman also has no pushback on trait 2 xx fireball and this string can be done continuously midscreen on her too. These are the only 2 (out of about 20 that I have tested) that do this. So strange.

For Wonder Woman, her hitbox works normally crouching but not standing. For Superman, his hitbox is messed up regardless of if he is standing or crouching.
 
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nuttyAFA

Noob
Reborn said:
So apparently when I initially was testing on Superman, trait 2 into fireball does not give ANY push back and I can do it midscreen forever. When I try it on any other character, there is pushback. Apparently Superman has differently block properties than the rest of the cast and caused me to waste a bunch of time getting my hopes up due to a bug in the game. Netherream needs to fix their game lol.
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lol that sucks. superman has also led me to realize that finishing combos into her standing resets that are not trance is a terrible idea against a lot of characters unless your goal is to bait a whiff. she can't do anything after f2,1 or bf1 except jump or maybe teleport without getting blown up by the many fast far reaching moves in the game.

im struggling to find a good place to activate illusion that doesn't put her at huge risk, but i think the only solid way is to put them in confuse first. i can't test this on people though because of the damn online glitch :(
 
xWildx

xWildx

What a day. What a lovely day.
Zatanna is the Skarlet of this game, execution-wise. This shit is ridiculous and she has 90,000,000 options to mess with people.
 
Pan1cMode

Pan1cMode

AUS FGC represent!
NoxiousDonny said:
Am I a scum bag for playing Batman, Aquaman and Scorpion? D:
I also use The Joker, Bane, Catwoman, Nightwing.. they're not top tier.. :/
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Lol I main batgirl and (working on) killer frost. Soon to main Zatanna. I think I'm the definition of using scumbag characters.
 
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