It's pretty messed up that part (and a very important part at that) of a character's learning curve is determined by wonky hitboxes on specific characters. You've got to factor in a whole lot of shit the entire time you're playing.
Yeah I agree. A lot of fighting games do the character specific thing but it's a real game changer. Especially when there's other characters who have a really killer gameplan that works on everyone.
I agree, Subs neutral is tough in the matchups where the Klone gets dunked on. And I know what you mean about going from ok to good. I feel like I'm transitioning through that now. The hardest part is learning patience, which is a rare thing in this game. The corner conversions change on which height you end up hitting a frost bomb, etc... Overall he isn't too too hard because of the clone it's self, but it's harder to grow as a fighting game player with this character as opposed to Mileena who is about neutral and fundamentals. When you have a match where one move gives you an insane advantage, and another where that advantage is taken and you get crushed in footsies and damage. It feels like two different games at some times, so I agree. If you play nothing but GM SZ it can be jarring before you get used to it.
Everyone is a stretch. Cassie's in particular are brutal at first.
D'Vorah SQ you mean? Because of bug cancels.
I don't like how this is being measured at all lol. We need a static way to determine how steep the curve is. If you say a new player well that varies from each new player to another. How much time are they putting into the lab and into learning MU's? New to fighters or new to MK? So they come from SF or something? Do you see where I'm getting at?
I guess I could have been more specific. Just in general, if that makes any sense. Or which one for you had the steepest.
Well I also mean brood mother, I always forget D'vorah has 2 other variations besides SQ and yes, the execution for bug cancels do not come easy to me and I have spent hours trying to learn them.( It took me weeks before I got Kangs fbc cancels consistently) but to answer your questiion, I mean Brood and Sq, execution for SQ and the low crawler and the limit of tools she has compared to SQ.
Forgot COMPLETELY about Brood Mother. Haven't heard that name in a while. Don't know a lot about her and didn't know it was steep because I can't find anyone that plays her. That variation, though decent, lacks what SQ and Venomous have IMO.
Totally forgot about her. I think this is very likely the hardest.
Everyone does
I absolutely agree that given the many options both you and your opponent have as a smoke player (created by gaps, phase forward/back, invisibility) as well as his overall low damage output and complete lack of an armor move makes smoke without question a higher learning curve character especially when attempting to compete at a high level.
I agree for the most part other than him being the steepest. He's definitely hard and unsafe imo.
I wouldn't say unsafe , he has plenty of gaps to exploit but that's just another part of the learning curve and what makes it hard , f43 for instance , if you think they will neutral duck the 3 you can use 2 instead. Everything is a read with him , if they think you will use smoke bomb and you make the read you can use ex spear which has no gap and is safe on block. That's what I mean when I say he has a huge learning curve , so many options for you and your opponent
And also with his overall low damage output you have to find ways to open your opponent up more times in order to kill them which adds to the steeper learning curve as well. You really have to be creative with how you mix things up.
