Match-up Discussion Skarlet Matchup Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Skarlet' started by Konqrr, Aug 7, 2011.

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  1. Mosp

    Mosp Well-Known Member

    Punishing his parry is harder than it sounds, which is why I just stuck to the safe option of doing d4 into slide. Also doing naked dashes can hurt you a lot if they catch on, one time he did a full combo on me because of that. Not sure if it was in this match or in casuals though.
  2. Eddy Wang

    Eddy Wang Kia, Jataaka, Sareena for MKX Premium Supporter

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    Skarlet standing 2 is 9 frames, that should do the trick;)
  3. Mosp

    Mosp Well-Known Member

    Execution
    1 - 10
    1,1 - 9
    1,1,2 - 15
    1,1,4 - 15
    2 - 12
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  4. Eddy Wang

    Eddy Wang Kia, Jataaka, Sareena for MKX Premium Supporter

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    Yeaaaah, somehow i missed that :p

    So still, 11 seems to be the best option but won't do her any good.

    So i still prefer F4, besides being 13 frames it has the range factor on her side
  5. Ninj

    Ninj Where art thou, MKX Skarlet? Staff Member

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    1,1 is 19 frames total to execute.

    F4 can option select to Red Dash or whiff to F4,3 - pretty powerful tool. Standing 2 also has good anti-air properties.
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  6. Somberness

    Somberness Lights Staff Member

    1,1 is actually 21, reason being is 1 cancels into something else on the 12th frame. I plan on adding that info eventually. Sorry about that, I haven't explained it well.
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  7. Mosp

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  8. Eddy Wang

    Eddy Wang Kia, Jataaka, Sareena for MKX Premium Supporter

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    Does she actually have a Bad Match up? With the tools she has makes almost every fight be in the least 5/5 against all rooster

    The ones who i feel a bit dificult to deal with sometimes is just Liu Kang because the easy trolls combos he has and Kung Lao (until now)
  9. Mosp

    Mosp Well-Known Member

    Honestly the only matchup I struggle in is the Kung Lao matchup but I think that's more my fault and not my character's lack of tools. If her EX red dash wasn't so good I could see her struggling in more matches but I feel like she is even or advantage against most of the cast. But, that would mean she is top 5 which is hard to argue so that's why I'm a little confused about this.
  10. RedRaptor10

    RedRaptor10 Official Black Adam Downplayer Premium Supporter

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    I rarely play offline so I can't help much. I struggle against Kung Lao, Raiden and Mileena online.
  11. Eddy Wang

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    I still think she is top S tier
  12. Warborn

    Warborn Active Member

    I have a hard time with Raiden. Trying to punish those teleports with her seem a bit harder, but I mainly play online. I use a lot of instant air close daggers and when he teleports crosses my shit up. Maybe its just me, I definitely think Skarlet has the tools to dominate the match up.
  13. MoonSpell

    MoonSpell "My Pride i Obey" Premium Supporter

    One of the hardest mu i've came across is Kitana. Zoning war is tough, but up close its not simple. I fell for Kitanas f21. Another problem is with Cyrax's teleport - that is nearly impossible for me to bring in a solid punisher. The problem is that she dosent have fast mid attack that will take him down. Trying any juggle starter will get me d1~net/rag doll. As far as he's ganna be eatin' only d2, he will teleport countless times until he lands that damn net. I've been told about d1~dagger cancel, but that is really tight to do, and so far it's been unreliable for me.
  14. Somberness

    Somberness Lights Staff Member

    Cyrax's teleport does not require a mid attack to punish it. People only say down 1 because it is the fastest anti air or they just don't know. If you can uppercut in time, you can use standing 1 too.
  15. RedRaptor10

    RedRaptor10 Official Black Adam Downplayer Premium Supporter

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    Yeah I was able to punish it with standing 1 and 2 but I rely on d1 because it's faster. I don't think human Cyrax's teleport is punishable, but robot Cyrax and CSZ's teleports are.
  16. Johnny2d

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    First off thanks for including me in the discussion Mosp. Second, I typically stay out of tier list discussions because too often they lead to 2 negative things; 1 is that people ask for buffs rather than finding ways to deal with the game as is. 2, people just talk each other up or flame each other. Mosp, we were both in stream chat for the atlanta stream watching Lord of The Fly play Skarlet against a Freddy and I had said Skarlet struggles against Kung Lao and the guy on the mic said "Maaaan, any one that says Skarlet struggles against kung lao doesn't know what they are talking about, Skarlet blows Kung Lao up, maybe you should learn to play the game"... At which point I thought, well this isn't going to be worth it and just walked away. So this is my point, people blow each other up.

    On the other hand, some great conversation has come from actual discussion on match ups. I was struggling against Mileena and thought that it might be a really bad matchup for Skarlet, however, it turns out the problems my Skarlet had against Mileena were the same or similar problems that most characters have against her. This is the great kind of in depth discussion that should happen when we get into these kinds of talks: http://testyourmight.com/threads/skarlet-vs-mileena.12732/

    I really feel like the Skarlet community benefits most by underrating her, then solving certain situations. I don't think she is currently top tier, but we could make her top tier with with two conditions. 1, continued in depth and honest discussion on every matchup, without over rating her and just assuming she should be better than the other character. And 2, evidence of matchups with skarlet against the highest level of competition, with someone playing her who actually mains her with true character devotion. The first condition is where the community can help, but we have to be honest not boastful, and we have to help each other. The second condition will have to wait until Ninj or Mosp get in the spotlight (These are the only two that I know of that TRULY MAIN HER at tournaments, I know @LOrdoftheFLY is playing her a lot, but from what I read also playds NW and Kabal still) I have a sick devotion to her as well, but can't get to a tourney until maybe late this summer, that's my long term goal anyway, until then its online for me.

    So if we are going to do this right, I say we try to organize our efforts, and breakdown specific characters and matchups. I say we do this as a community, and make a specific thread for dealing with each character. It might be efficient to start here by listing what we feel the bad matchups are, then make a new character topic where we can discuss the mathup in greater detail. Maybe we take a specific bad matchup thread each week for a new character, then discuss. I know Ninj is working on guides for her, but hey, we can help and add our own community breakdowns, and as a community we can get into much greater depth than one man alone.

    So I'll add who I know I could use help against and why, if you guys are game we can pick a few and take our time to break each one down in another thread.

    Freddy- I had the opportunity to fight against DarkNatas's Freddy, needless to say I learned what it feels like to be on the receiving end of Freddy's offence at a very high level. I also started thinking about this matchup a lot more watching LOTF play against that Freddy on stream a couple weeks ago. Freddy is mobile enough to cause problems for skarlet, and his zoning wins in a fire fight. That coupled with the fact that he can take 1/3 to 1/2 of your life when he touches you makes for a tough matchup for anyone.

    Kung Lao- His mobility with teleport and dive kick and roll, make it hard for skarlet to run her offence like normal. Also the spin makes skarlet try to play fake out games which can work, but can easily be reverse baited by him if he knows the matchup.

    Smoke- Again mobility. Skarlet can have a hard time against characters that are more mobile, and that take away her mobility.

    If you guys are game to start a community collaborative "Specific Character" discussion for Skarlet, we should make a specific thread for each of the characters we feel could be a bad matchup, lets do it one at a time though so we can really take our time and do it right. We can do each character the way we had discussed Milleena, then maybe clean each one up and make and info page.

    -let me know what you guys think :)

    RedRaptor10 Ninj SwayNTech L0rdoftheFLY Eddy Wang Mosp (If I've left anyone out that might want to contribute let me know)
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  17. Eddy Wang

    Eddy Wang Kia, Jataaka, Sareena for MKX Premium Supporter

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    i agree with Johnny2d in this one.

    And Johnny the guy who told you that about kung lao is possibly a douche, Skarlet indeed have some problems against characters that dificult her mobility, its no coincidence 3 or more Skarlet players in same thread naming Kung lao more than once
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  18. MoonSpell

    MoonSpell "My Pride i Obey" Premium Supporter

    I agree with you, however it is much easier to punish tele with Shang's f434 or Kabals f4 (for example). I've tried several times with 112,212,f2 and it works only if he blocks. If he dose d1 net it beats my attack cause all of these strings hit High - if it was mid, then it would win just like in case of two other char i mentioned ( that is my theory) at least, i could be wrong though.
  19. Mosp

    Mosp Well-Known Member

    I agree with doing a community based thread on certain matchups where we can help each other out in matches that people are struggling against. Not many people main Skarlet here or play offline all too often but that doesn't mean they can't help and give their input on matchups. I originally posted this because I wanted to be prepared as ever when I go to MLG in a few weeks. I don't if anyone else who plays Skarlet will be there but I want to put her on the map because I think we all believe she is a really good and viable character. Either way we can help each other out because I never see too much discussion on matchups which I feel we should discuss more. To start off the discussions I feel like the first one we should make should be about Kung Lao since he seems to be discussed the most, agree?
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  20. Johnny2d

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    I agree about Kung Lao being a hot topic for discussion. He comes up a lot and I know for sure I could use the help against him. If others are in favor, I will start a thread for Skarlet vs. Kung Lao.
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  21. Johnny2d

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  22. SaJa

    SaJa FH_FenriR



    Scar vs Pig footage by Kombat Houston. Fucking amazing shit ! 6-4 ?
  23. AK RM Blake

    AK RM Blake Aspiring FGC Journalist Staff Member Premium Supporter

    Because this thread concerns a match-up, I am merging it with the Skarlet Match-Up Discussion Thread.

    I shall be sure to watch this sometime later.
  24. SaJa

    SaJa FH_FenriR

    Damn, I made a own thread for this to make the buzz. Too bad ..
  25. Eddy Wang

    Eddy Wang Kia, Jataaka, Sareena for MKX Premium Supporter

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