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Juicy: Which players are carried or held back by their main?

SonicFox5000

The Best.
I dont believe in people winning because of a character. I mean, its part of the reason, but not entirely. (A 80% player 20% char)
This is a list of all of the tools Batgirl has that go into her meter less, unreactable, corner carrying vortex:

Her low start

Her overhead start

Her poke

Her jump in

Her teleport

Her projectile

Her 6 frame anti air and reversal dp

Her multihitting anti airing cartwheel in the corner


Yes sonic has the best tourney results there's no disputing that but a character without a visible weakness can't be ignored. Some of the people in this community seriously think a 16 year old has better fundamentals than people who have been a part of this community and been playing mk games since before he was born? Cmon
All mk games are different in fundamentals. And I guess the other 5 games i place well in completely make my fundamentals not good?











yes i have better fundamentals than some of the mk players
 

REDRUM

www.twitter.com/redrum26
If they guy didnt work for NRS and play the game 6.4 years before the "general population" got a chance to play id say 16 bit... lol
 

PPJ

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Premium Supporter
NetherRealm Studios
Ppj held back for going for swag and not optimal combos/set ups. Although he's super entertaining.
Define not optimal? I almost always went for max damage combos which is my own personal choice and playstyle. Moderate risk if dropped and good reward if landed... and I'd say I landed most :)

Would I really screw myself on purpose at a high stakes situation? Perhaps if i didn't take some of the risks I did in majors, I'd have one or two less placings

Being "entertaining" is just icing on the cake. Thanks for finding me entertaining I guess.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
I dont believe in people winning because of a character. I mean, its part of the reason, but not entirely. (A 80% player 20% char)

All mk games are different in fundamentals. And I guess the other 5 games i place well in completely make my fundamentals not good?











yes i have better fundamentals than some of the mk players
Be glad I wasn't in the VF5 (pre-exp) scene. My shun di was the definition of filth. (Can't remember if you play both DoA and VF) I might've taken games off of you. :p
 

Wetdoba

All too easy...
I dont believe in people winning because of a character. I mean, its part of the reason, but not entirely. (A 80% player 20% char)

All mk games are different in fundamentals. And I guess the other 5 games i place well in completely make my fundamentals not good?











yes i have better fundamentals than some of the mk players
I never said you were bad, obviously a bad player won't be placing at all regardless of character, but hands down best? We all know how retarded Batgirl vortex is and when I had to explain at NEC to someone outside of the NRS scene what was happening it sounds so fucking bad explaining how her vortex works. If she didn't have that she would have all the other tools she needs and all this tech you apparently have but don't need because gimmicks or fundamentals will never be better than a safe 50-50 that leads into itself. If you still go undefeated in MKX I will apologize, but no other player in any fighting game goes undefeated if it's not the character that has something to do with it. MK9 side tourney without the top players there is more of a pat on the back too. Until then I can't help but see you as a pretty good player using a rediculous character not the undisputed best of all time. When I try to think of the players that are "best" it's based on who as a player impresses me the most, I just don't ever get impressed by Batgirl when every single thing leads into vortex.
 

Under_The_Mayo

Master of Quanculations
Right off the bat, held back: 16 bit.

It's really the combos....Catwoman is one of the only few characters whose strings are long enough that you can hit confirm every time. Unless you're doing 2d2, you can see it hit at the very start and go for your highest combos from there. You sacrifice legit anywhere from 5-20% or so in every one of your combos that still land you the same exact setups at the end of the day, making you work twice as hard to make up for the life lead. And I'm not even talking about the double f3 whiffs. It's little things like replacing ji1 with ji3, or hit confirming cat claws as oppose to cat dash, or doing a f3 whiff into a background bounce after, that will change damage big time. If you can't tell how much damage your character will do, especially for the kill, idk what's up
Come on man. While I too wish @GGA 16 Bit would up his damage some, (and he has, doing BGB bounces more), subbing Jp1 for Jp3 has great use to guarantee a combo that was confirmed late, or near a wall, or that you´re afraid you might drop in an intense moment.

Same for Catdash. He is not inputting dash instead of confirming claws for no reason. He is CONFIRMING to Dash, because it´s a no risk combo that has no risk of dropping in a stressful moment. No one just inputs Dash from an unconfirmed string.

ANYWAY, look a KIT. Bit´s loss to King´s Aquaman and Cowboy´s Sinestro had NOTHING to do with 5% extra combo damage.
 
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dark55

Noob
1. Sonic Fox
2. Theo
3. Jupiter
4. Forever King
5. KDZ
6. 16 Bit
7. Pig of the Hut
8. Perfect Legend
9. Whiteboi
10. Wound Cowboy
11. Honeybee
12. Pimpimjim
13. Darth Arma
14. Chris G
15. Rico Suave
16. DJT
17. Blind Ducky
18. Tyrant
19. MIT
20. Biohazard

held back- Tyrant, 16-bit, chris g.
Carried- whiteboi. Doomy has been the only character that has been hard to deal with from day 1 up until now. Doomsday's gameplay hasn't changed 1 bit and still just beast on other characters with d-1 earthshaker.
 

Wetdoba

All too easy...
KDZ F23's his way to an EVO championship and everyone calls him a fraud while fox does the same thing with vortex and he is praised. Ggs tym
 

pumpkincream

superman reset specialist
KDZ F23's his way to an EVO championship and everyone calls him a fraud while fox does the same thing with vortex and he is praised. Ggs tym
players who are not liked by the comm will always be discredited. this place is more about popularity contest then tournament results
 

Red Reaper

The Hyrax Whisperer
Who are the other BGs who are placing?

Your assertion that she is an easy mode character is demonstrably false as no one but sonicfox has been able to achieve anything with her in America.

Yes batgirl is an insanely good character, no I don't think she's the best (not with AM and MMH in the game).



Also, I'd point out that sonic fox used Sonya in MK9 and was still formidable (placing high in 2014 EVO iirc).
Referencing Sonya doesn't help your kase...

That character is broke!
 
If they guy didnt work for NRS and play the game 6.4 years before the "general population" got a chance to play id say 16 bit... lol
Do you know that your posts just look different, but you actually say the same thing in every single post? If only bit lived in the east coast...
 
Its really hard to tell in Injustice since everyone plays different characters whereas in mk9 the 5 kabals in top 8 were much more obvious

edit: Never over-exaggerate on the internet. The most Kabals I've seen in a single top 8 were 3. The point is, many players were carried by playing him because he was easily the strongest character. That can't be said for someone like SonicFox, there are no other Batgirl representatives
 
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pumpkincream

superman reset specialist
Please don't compare pre patch superman to batgirl. How many superman players were in top 8 that evo compared to how many batgirl players actual place?
kdz was the only superman player to win a major in pre patch. kdz was the only superman to make top 3 at evo. kdz was the only superman to win a major post patch.

your first mistake was comparing any other superman to kdz. youre second mistake was believing there was another superman on kdz level
 
Please don't compare pre patch superman to batgirl. How many superman players were in top 8 that evo compared to how many batgirl players actual place?
To be honest Superman was better than batgirl but the same logic applies. It is kinda true and people just don't want to acknowledge it. Kdz is an evo champ and still gets top 8 at majors. His resume is unarguably top 8 but he doesn't really get the credit he deserves. It is probably true that there are a lot more players better than him right now but he still doesn't get the credit he deserves imo.
 

coolwhip

Noob
Even though kabal won KIT, look at the top 8.

Kabal
Cage
Kung Lao/Kenshi
Kitana
Cage
Jax
Smoke
Sonya

Most mk top 8's look that way. This idea that its all kabal is a false talking point
There was only one Kabal player there though. If people were still playing and Detroit and REO were there, you would have 3 Kabals in top 8, the same way you did at EVO 2013.

MK9 top 8's had variety for the most part, but Kabal's dominance throughout the game's lifespan is unlike anything we've seen in Injustice, and lasted longer too. At least Fox is the only Batgirl. Kabal had like 4 high level representatives so he was far more dominant.
 
Even though kabal won KIT, look at the top 8.

Kabal
Cage
Kung Lao/Kenshi
Kitana
Cage
Jax
Smoke
Sonya

Most mk top 8's look that way. This idea that its all kabal is a false talking point
Don't even bother. People will always spread the false information as if they even know anything about mk9's era. Mk9 almost always had a lot of different characters in top/top 16.
 
Here are the current top 20 Injustice players according to the prestigious SRK rankings. Which of these players do you think are carried by their main and which ones are held back by their main? Perhaps it's a bit of both. Explain your opinions if you can.

1. Sonic Fox
2. Theo
3. Jupiter
4. Forever King
5. KDZ
6. 16 Bit
7. Pig of the Hut
8. Perfect Legend
9. Whiteboi
10. Wound Cowboy
11. Honeybee
12. Pimpimjim
13. Darth Arma
14. Chris G
15. Rico Suave
16. DJT
17. Blind Ducky
18. Tyrant
19. MIT
20. Biohazard
1. Sonic Fox
Carried. Batgirl amplifies Sonic Fox mentality and play style. No mortal can deal with the shit this guy puts you through when he's playing Batgirl. His performance outside of playing Batgirl is very good. However, I believe Sonic Fox would be unable to consistently dominate without Batgirl.

2. Theo
Carried. Much like Sonic Fox, Aquaman amplifies Theo's play style. In 2014 a tournament player highlighted a weakness in Theo's game and exposed his ability to mount an offense. Without the ability to lean on Aquaman's powerful defensive capabilities Theo would not be such a dominant player.

3. Jupiter
Right where he should be. Jupiter is a very smart player with quick reflexes and has a very balanced play style. Martian Manhunter does not carry this player.

4. Forever King
Right where he should be. Performs very well and then magically runs into the famous counter-pick Aquawall.

5. KDZ
Carried. Performance drops along with character nerfs indicate his early success was slightly attributed to the abuse of overpowered tools as he continues to perform well given the normalization's to his character.

6. 16 Bit
Held back. 16 Bit's ability to overcome bad MU's are attributed to the opponents lack of knowledge on how to fight his character. The troubles of playing Catwoman become apparent when he is faced with an informed opponent.

7. Pig of the Hut
Right where he should be. Inability to effectively use IAZB shows Pig's ability to use a character without taking advantage of one of the characters most powerful tools.

8. Perfect Legend
Right where he should be. He does not focus on any particular character. He wins some and looses some.

9. Whiteboi
Held back. The more I see Whiteboi play Doomsday the more I see his player skill and the less of "Dumbsday". It becomes apparent that Dumsday does not work when he is fighting competent opponents and must rely on his skill as a player and how to use his characters tools to go around the issues that come with playing Doomsday.

10. Wound Cowboy
Carried. Giving a player with footsies as strong as Wound Cowboy a vortex is ludicrous. Regardless, Wound Cowboy would still be placing without such tools because he doesn't need them to win and is a phenomenal player.

11. Honeybee
Carried. Very strong execution and reflexes. The fact that Flash can touch you once and you die prevents the viewers from seeing his player skill outside of twitch reflex play.

12. Pimpimjim
Held back. Very entertaining player to watch use mediocre characters at a high level. Mastering so many characters prevents him from truly breaking through as he will be at a character experience disadvantage against most of his opponents who focus on less characters.

13. Darth Arma
Right where he should be. Strong Batman player who makes slightly uphill match ups look even and is really only struggling against a strong counter-pick. His placings reflect his skill.

14. Chris G
Lol.

15. Rico Suave
Carried. Strong well rounded player but his performance reflects his time investment in the game and also was subject to what happened to KDZ with his character.

16. DJT
Held back. His weakness is to unreactable mind games (vortex, hkd setups, 50/50's) and bad MU's which is very cemented at the core of Injustice play. Outside of this DJT is an extremely strong player with superb footsies.

17. Blind Ducky
Held fucking back. Incredible display of spacing, zoning mind games and reading of his opponent.

18. Tyrant
Held back. Tyrant's struggle becomes real and his ability to overcome them even further demonstrates just how good he really is.

19. MIT
Right where he should be. Very cunning player. Doesn't seem to spend as much time mastering his character as other tournament players and has a diverse selection of characters he is proficient with. His placings show he has the potential to win the big tournaments however.

20. Biohazard
Right where he should be. Appears to do well in even or advantage match ups and bad in bad match ups. His performance seems to reflect his characters ability play match ups.
 
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There was only one Kabal player there though. If people were still playing and Detroit and REO were there, you would have 3 Kabals in top 8, the same way you did at EVO 2013.
I would argue though that detroit still missed a lot of top 8's. pl and cdjr played kabal but they were more kl/jax players. It was mostly reo. Kevo won some and got top 8 at some tournaments but that was a small period of time. Cat rarely placed. I would agree if our scene was bigger that kabals would be everywhere but our scene just isn't that big and there is small chance that will change in mkx.