Video/Tutorial - Dragons Fire Liu Kang corner block trap

[SylverRye]

Johnny's stuff isn't nearly as stupid as this honestly. Johnny is great but he never has you in a block infinite or a situation like this.

Dude what are you talking about? Johnny cage can jail you JUST as hard as liu kang and he is also plus on a lot more strings. Liu has to meter burn fly kick if he wants a quick way in..johnny can f3 knee u and be plus on block..i saw corn footwork using nutpunch and then standing 4 which completely jails, into 114 ex forceballs into f3. People need to actually learn how good characters are before they start talking about what they can and cant do. Most people here dont even know liu kangs b12 and b1 fbrc on block is the emd of his pressure if he guesses wrong on an armor break. But this is tym where everyone becomes a character professional when someone makes a complaint.

 

[WiseM0nkey]

Tell that to Johnny or anyone else with a good low profile move

should i tell that to Liu Kang as well?

 

[THTB]

So they can block and punish, not always a good option man

It's an option. b2 also works here.

 

[THTB]

I think the other characters who are having trouble against LK should be given faster normals. What you think..???

Exactly what could be done. Like I said, Liu doesn't even have to be touched.

 

[xXxNasHxXx]

Exactly what could be done. Like I said, Liu doesn't even have to be touched.

thanks bro atleast someone is here who understands my point of view... Please ask others to calm down a bit as they are overreacting too much on this.

 

[SylverRye]

It strikes me to ask the question exactly WHY would LK ever try armour break, considering its a 1 frame window of success, and Blocking absolutely ANY armored move in the game (at the very least, if not full combo punish) puts them straight back into the block infinite anyway which is all a successful armour break does anyway, and if you make the wrong read, you aren't negative, which you would be with a blocked B1?





There is definitely some down and up playing going on in here, however I think you are doing a good job of just discussing the actual information on hand and what it means, and clearing up the falsities.





This mentality is kinda good in theory.... but this doesn't really seem to be that complex of an issue to me for this kinda perspective to be valid. No amount of coaching or leveling up, can let your character do something it can't. I mean you either have a move with enough frames to get out of it or you don't, if you are stuck in the infinite and can't get out EVER without both spending a bar AND making the right read or going straight back in it, than it's probably an oversight that shouldn't be in the game in my opinion. It's also fine to say "well it may be around for quite a while" which may or may not be the case, but it doesn't hurt to have discussion on the matter regardless. Well, ACTUAL discussion that is, as I see some other people in here are more interested in pushing agendas, as per always

Because not everyone will stand there blocking. Somebody will take a hit and when they are on the floor they may try to armor. Besides that there isn't a reason if you're just doing f213.the people who think liu is secret top tier and the people who don't main him, have little experience fighting him and get wrecked by him. His pokes are trash, his air game is trash.people screaming about his b2 overhead and that knocks you down and ISNT a hard knockdown...his pressure and chip are very good but if hes top tier i want to know what top characters hes better than...i saw someone say jax tanya and tremor..imo solid high mid tier.idc if they kill his plus frames..but of they do imo he needs better normals to compensate.

 

[getoverhere--->]

If Takeda is the only one who cant get out of the pressure (which I cannot verify) then he should get help

hahahaha no, he deserves it

 

[Parasurama]

well... you're point was unnecessay, cause no matter what, ppl will need to learn how to deal with certain things and will continue to learn the MUs.

But this cant justify the fact that his pressure is too good at no real cost exept for stamina wich you can get back fairly quick, it cant justify the stupid unblockable vortex Quan Chi has and so on.

you cant just say "level up, git gud, learn the MU" cause that's what competitive players do / will do evertime. this is just silly

There is an amount of match up knowledge needed here. He is only 1-2 frames plus after the FK meter burned. It is easy to get out of the pressure with reversals or wake ups, it is all in the mind game bro. If some people do not really know the match up then they complain about it, it is senseless. The tournament/competitve scene will reveal the truth.

 

[SylverRye]

While i dont support infinites,faster pokes are imo a good idea. It would stop a lot of nonsense in this game from many characters. Even if f213 is nerfed that is still something that may be good.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

People learning the MU

I can 100% guarantee nobody else is as well versed in this match as I am, it's not a matter of learning the match, Liu touches you, you literally have to put your life on the line to escape.

Lius offense NOW (even after being nerfed) is better than Kung Laos when his hat was +27 on block. Think about that for a second.

I see nothing wrong with getting rid of his jailing strings and just making them plus, like NRS did with every other pressure character, it wouldn't kill him it would just mean that he can't build bars for free, and actually has to play the game, i.e. Bait things, use the right normal for the right situation etc.

Even a list cage isn't as stupid as this, he may be able to jail you but he has nothing that loops, as well as a crap keep away game which Liu doesn't have.

 

[xXxNasHxXx]

While i dont support infinites,faster pokes are imo a good idea. It would stop a lot of nonsense in this game from many characters. Even if f213 is nerfed that is still something that may be good.

faster pokes to other characters, i agree with you on this..

 

[RyuKazuya]

Wait until people start realizing how good a list is. That man is a human alcatraz. Lets see what nrs does

pls dont give me nightmares i like my alist the way he is

 

[SylverRye]

I can 100% guarantee nobody else is as well versed in this match as I am, it's not a matter of learning the match, Liu touches you, you literally have to put your life on the line to escape.

Just like quan, tanya, cassie and many of the cast lol. Its hard on there in these blockstring/ 50/50 streets. Midscreen you can backdash f213 and also any fbrc string can be armored. People just don't know so they sit there blocking with hate in their heart. Now in the corner liu is hard to deal with,but thats almost everyone in mkx lol

 

[EMPR_MURK]

Just like quan, tanya, cassie and many of the cast lol. Its hard on there in these blockstring/ 50/50 streets. Midscreen you can backdash f213 and also any fbrc string can be armored. People just don't know so they sit there blocking with hate in their heart. Now in the corner liu is hard to deal with,but thats almost everyone in mkx lol

You're very wrong when you said any fbrc string can be armored.

A true block string prevents the one on defense from moving.

 

[cR Xarakamaka]

I can 100% guarantee nobody else is as well versed in this match as I am, it's not a matter of learning the match, Liu touches you, you literally have to put your life on the line to escape.

Lius offense NOW (even after being nerfed) is better than Kung Laos when his hat was +27 on block. Think about that for a second.

I see nothing wrong with getting rid of his jailing strings and just making them plus, like NRS did with every other pressure character, it wouldn't kill him it would just mean that he can't build bars for free, and actually has to play the game, i.e. Bait things, use the right normal for the right situation etc.

Even a list cage isn't as stupid as this, he may be able to jail you but he has nothing that loops, as well as a crap keep away game which Liu doesn't have.

Taking away all of his true block strings WILL KILL THE CHARACTER, everyone can admit that as a Liu main, his true block strings aren't the issue its after the mb fk that is the problem! , fix that , leave his block strings out of this or if you take them away then give us overhead canceable and fast pokes

 

[SylverRye]

You're very wrong when you said any fbrc string can be armored.

A true block string prevents the one on defense from moving.

Im talking midscreen. Not the generic f213 into f213. People act like that's all liu kang users do lol.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Just like quan, tanya, cassie and many of the cast lol. Its hard on there in these blockstring/ 50/50 streets. Midscreen you can backdash f213 and also any fbrc string can be armored. People just don't know so they sit there blocking with hate in their heart. Now in the corner liu is hard to deal with,but thats almost everyone in mkx lol

If people are backdashing f213 loops midscreen that's on you, not the other player, the cancel is +12 and f2 is 9, the follow up jails so there is NOTHING you can do but block it or choose to take a hit.

Also, Tanya has no 5050 block strings, Quan has a true block string into his low that can be punished (so at least there's an option).

Cassie has no block strings that jail (lol).

 

[Phosferrax]

Taking away all of his true block strings WILL KILL THE CHARACTER, everyone can admit that as a Liu main, his true block strings aren't the issue its after the mb fk that is the problem! , fix that , leave his block strings out of this or if you take them away then give us overhead canceable and fast pokes

No it won't kill the character. He would still have good block pressure and an option to stuff everything the other player wants to do, can still initiate his plus strings from half screen, still got top walk speed and footsies.

The only thing different is that he would have to make a read.

 

[Asodimazze]

Just like quan, tanya, cassie and many of the cast lol. Its hard on there in these blockstring/ 50/50 streets. Midscreen you can backdash f213 and also any fbrc string can be armored. People just don't know so they sit there blocking with hate in their heart. Now in the corner liu is hard to deal with,but thats almost everyone in mkx lol

Total bullshit. f213 fbrc can't be backdashed, and Liu has true blockstrings from many strings cancelled into fbrc...no way to armor out if he doesn't let you.

Don't write lies

 

[SylverRye]

If people are backdashing f213 loops midscreen that's on you, not the other player, the cancel is +12 and f2 is 9, the follow up jails so there is NOTHING you can do but block it or choose to take a hit.

Also, Tanya has no 5050 block strings, Quan has a true block string into his low that can be punished (so at least there's an option).

Cassie has no block strings that jail (lol).

I didn't know all we were talking about was jailing. I was mainly referencing what you said about fighting for your life when certain characters touch you lol. But maybe im playing liu wrong. I dont do f213 f213 f213 flly kick mb all day as its very boring to me. But if it works i suppose

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Taking away all of his true block strings WILL KILL THE CHARACTER, everyone can admit that as a Liu main, his true block strings aren't the issue its after the mb fk that is the problem! , fix that , leave his block strings out of this or if you take them away then give us overhead canceable and fast pokes

No it won't, did taking away true block strings from anybody else kill them?

You don't NEED to be able to hit the same string 3 times in a row on block, there should be situations where he has to bait, just like everybody else.

Kung Lao went from having soooo many guaranteed block strings to having basically 0, and his rush down is basically the same.

Also, making overhead cancelable is a terrible idea, give him a true 5050 AND plus after everything?

Liu players are fortunate enough to be playing pre patch mkx, so never had to know what it is to have fairer rush down.

 

[WITNESS]

No it won't, did taking away true block strings from anybody else kill them?

You don't NEED to be able to hit the same string 3 times in a row on block, there should be situations where he has to bait, just like everybody else.

Kung Lao went from having soooo many guaranteed block strings to having basically 0, and his rush down is basically the same.

Also, making overhead cancelable is a terrible idea, give him a true 5050 AND plus after everything?

Your plus 12 stop it

 

[Parasurama]

No it won't kill the character. He would still have good block pressure and an option to stuff everything the other player wants to do, can still initiate his plus strings from half screen, still got top walk speed and footsies.

The only thing different is that he would have to make a read.

And Dualist would get less advantage like last time, because they adjusted LK as a character.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Your plus 12 stop it

Ok then tell me all of my options and what they're for and how to escape after I'm +12 and then compare them to Liu.

Shinnok can make himself +14 and has faster moves than Liu, but who gives a shit lol, it's the context in which you're + that matters.

 

[SylverRye]

No it won't, did taking away true block strings from anybody else kill them?

You don't NEED to be able to hit the same string 3 times in a row on block, there should be situations where he has to bait, just like everybody else.

Kung Lao went from having soooo many guaranteed block strings to having basically 0, and his rush down is basically the same.

Kung lao has MUCH better tools though.better normals, mobility and utility. Liu on the other hand has horrible pokes,horrible air game but very good pressure and chip and zoning. I guess that's his trade off? Who knows with nrs. Maybe kp2 patches will find a perfect balance for many characters