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Pig Of The Hut

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
ColdBoreMK23 said:
Predator has the third worst wake up in the game?

Summoner and Sorcerer Quan have NONE and Quan is arguably top 3 for his toolset.

I watched @Pig Of The Hut vs Crosby87 the other night and pig can tell you how he felt after playing against him.
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At first I got rekt then I did the wrecking

I learned a lot but hands down pred feels BA-RO-KENNN
 
buyacushun

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
YOMI MITYEAP said:
Tremor is for sure not bad like I have seen many say on this site lmao, shouldn't have to pull this card but play DJTs tremor and u tell me if he is a unviable character
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Which variation is he playing? If it's crystal i'm pretty sure that's seen as the best one right now. Armor kind of addresses the main complaints about tremor. Metallic has the worst frames for projectiles and normals I ever saw. Aftershock only shines in the corner on knockdown with meter.
 
Phosferrax

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
Also, @Slips yeah technically d4 is punishable on block, but why would you do it at a range where it can be punished? It can't be punished by nearly everybody when used at the actual range you would use it.
 
GAV

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
Predator is every bit as good as pre-patch Tanya was, IMO.

He's either going to get nerfed or he's going to be the best in the game, hands down.
 
Slips

Slips

Feared by dragons. Desired by virgins.
Phosferrax said:
Also, @Slips yeah technically d4 is punishable on block, but why would you do it at a range where it can be punished? It can't be punished by nearly everybody when used at the actual range you would use it.
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I'd argue a lot of character can punish Pred's d4 at max range. Whether it's a long range normal or a quick reversal special, a lot of characters can.

And for the ones that can't, they'll still get free pressure if it's against Hunter or Warrior variations. If Pred does d4~disc, the disc goes away when Predator is forced to block. Predator might be able to do d4~close trap and maybe the trap will help him win trades if they go in and force him to block, but I need to test that to be sure cause even that might be a bill.

Of course he can do d4~ex close trap or d4~ex bf4, but those are hard reads using meter and he should get those options if he's spending a bar.
 
Ashenar

Ashenar

Just a slightly above average player.....
UsedForGlue said:
Kung Lao can also do this with Buzz Saw.
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it seams like the recovery frames are applied to the character once the fire ball is out there and not on block or hit. I would say that the best thing they could do to balance this would be speed up the fireballs travel distance and make it a few frames slower on start up while also taking away recovery frames from the parry's and reflects.
 
Samsara

Samsara

Resident Cynic
I said this in my last thread on Unbreakable and I'll say it again:

When you weigh the pros and cons of unbreakable as a variation the only pro is your ice aura--- a move that is fully undermined by the likes of Krystal Tremor and His/Hunter predator. He has absolutely awful damage and lacks his armored launcher for no reason. His ice shield has too much recovery and a reward of 26% vs. 40% risk is a joke.

He has nothing his opponent needs to truly fear.

Reduce recovery on parry, give him ice burst/bomb, negate opponent meter gain if Sub is blocking with ex aura active. Subby has awful meter gain, so his opponent shouldn't be able to exploit that and run circles around him. I think these suggestions are reasonable.
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
RM Crimson Panther said:
Sub loses that MU but it's not as bad as Kobu Tanya versus Predator....

(Predator loses) @RunwayMafia
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And that MU isnt as bad as Metallic Tremor vs. Kobu Tanya :DOGE

Edit: It amazes me how many people still underestimate the power of a good wakeup. EX Slide alone is worth playing Sub still, especially against characters like Tanya.
 
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I GOT HANDS

I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
protools27 said:
Can it be said that the community of a character can take on the personality of its top player? Because man the sub zero community is emo. One character cannot "kill" or "invalidate" another character. The people that actually like sub zero will keep playing him regardless if predator has superior tools. And the people who think predator gives them a better chance to win, and that he has better tools will switch to predator. lets not be so dramatic.
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Ok so your argument is you don't give a shit if one character completely outclasses another in this game making one a terrible pick for his own unique merits, and you think that the rest of is should feel the same?
 
Phosferrax

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
Slips said:
I'd argue a lot of character can punish Pred's d4 at max range. Whether it's a long range normal or a quick reversal special, a lot of characters can.

And for the ones that can't, they'll still get free pressure if it's against Hunter or Warrior variations. If Pred does d4~disc, the disc goes away when Predator is forced to block. Predator might be able to do d4~close trap and maybe the trap will help him win trades if they go in and force him to block, but I need to test that to be sure cause even that might be a bill.

Of course he can do d4~ex close trap or d4~ex bf4, but those are hard reads using meter and he should get those options if he's spending a bar.
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I think you're underestimating his d4. Very few characters get a punish from max range.
 
YOMI MITYEAP

YOMI MITYEAP

Noob
buyacushun said:
Which variation is he playing? If it's crystal i'm pretty sure that's seen as the best one right now. Armor kind of addresses the main complaints about tremor. Metallic has the worst frames for projectiles and normals I ever saw. Aftershock only shines in the corner on knockdown with meter.
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Crystalline and aftershock atm and he is learning metallic soon
 
JTB123

JTB123

>>R2 - BF4 = Unblockable.
Slips said:
I'd argue a lot of character can punish Pred's d4 at max range. Whether it's a long range normal or a quick reversal special, a lot of characters can.

And for the ones that can't, they'll still get free pressure if it's against Hunter or Warrior variations. If Pred does d4~disc, the disc goes away when Predator is forced to block. Predator might be able to do d4~close trap and maybe the trap will help him win trades if they go in and force him to block, but I need to test that to be sure cause even that might be a bill.

Of course he can do d4~ex close trap or d4~ex bf4, but those are hard reads using meter and he should get those options if he's spending a bar.
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I did some testing against Predator's D4 at max range as he is most likely going to be a secondary of mine and the following moves were not able to punish it.

Lao's EX spin (non tempest)
Mileena's Roll
Jax's dash punch
Jacqui's force rush
Johnny's shadow kick

These are some of the fastest and farthest reaching reversals in the game and these fall short. Reptile can get a combo with EX dash, Sub gets Slide, Scorpion gets take down. Do you know of any others?

The range of Preddy's D4 is a little ridiculous lol
 
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