M2Dave's Friends of the Internet Most Recent Injustice: GAU Tier List

[HoneyBee]

uh lmao, OK. Saying something is "nonsense" is definitely ur opinion, but hey whatever makes you happy. All I know is, u have no way of justifying that ur opinion is true. "It doesn't make sense" maybe not to you, but u are one person and u can't dictate what I say is "nonsense" because once again those are ur thoughts. We can agree to disagree, but u can't just say "oh that's nonsense" because that is bs by my book.

So me thinking a character that has no agreed upon losing MUs but possibly 3 losing MUs is definitely better than a character that has 2 agreed upon losing MUs but possibly 7 or more losing MUs doesn't make sense to you?

Flash losing MU's = 0
Flash debatable losing MU's = 3 (maybe more)
Bane losing MU's = 2
Bane debatable losing MU's = 7 (maybe more)

I didn't think I had to justify logic but oh well, that's just your opinion.

 

[HoneyBee]

So I do b13 minigun you block, then you do b22 rmsc, then it's a 50/50 for you that potentially takes half of my life taking me to the corner for more 50/50s. Are you 100% sure it's a 5-5? The options are in your favor. And you can do d12 lk cancel also.

Well that's where reads come into play. Me doing B22 RMS cancel doesn't lead into a 50/50 per se because the overhead option can be beat if you use B1 and either option can be beat if you jump out. I may be wrong but GL's F3 might make my D12 whiff btw. Obviously I'm not 100% sure it's a 5-5 because no one can be 100% sure about any MU. It's all debatable but that's just the way I see it. The only MU anyone can be 100% sure about is that the mirror is 5-5.

 

[Captain Oxygen]

If I can debate that Lobo beats GL at the highest possible level, I wouldn't see much reason Flash wouldn't beat GL?
It sounds like your letting people abuse B1 and that it's this "Godlike" footsie tool.

I'm not too sure if Flash can punish B13 after backdashing it, but if you can you Have to backdash it. Even if you can't do it 100% of the time it makes the GL player think and many times, even in tournament it's made the GL player drop his combo because he was scared of me punishing him with a backdash. I would get hit by B1 -> Minigun or just raw B1 instead of a full combo.

 

[Mighty Durpyena]

Batman is definitely not A tier, more like high B

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

So me thinking a character that has no agreed upon losing MUs but possibly 3 losing MUs is definitely better than a character that has 2 agreed upon losing MUs but possibly 7 or more losing MUs doesn't make sense to you?

Flash losing MU's = 0
Flash debatable losing MU's = 3 (maybe more)
Bane losing MU's = 2
Bane debatable losing MU's = 7 (maybe more)

I didn't think I had to justify logic but oh well, that's just your opinion.

what is "logic" lmao u acting like what u say goes and that is final. Who's to say flash doesn't lose 3-4 matchups? who's to say those debatable matchups for bane aren't losing matchups for him? Who's to say bane doesn't dominate more characters than flash does? U have a very narrow-minded view, which is fine but dnt act like what you are saying can't be argued against, because it can. Also since u want to call things "nonsense" flash having no losing matchups is complete nonsense. I doubt anyone can name me a fighting game character who had no losing matchups and wasn't top 2 at least lol. We can do this all day, but u and I both know the last spot for top 5 is still a topic of debate. Please stop acting like what u are saying is so "logical", because logical to you may not he logical to someone else, keep that in mind.

 

[THTB]

Well that's where reads come into play. Me doing B22 RMS cancel doesn't lead into a 50/50 per se because the overhead option can be beat if you use B1 and either option can be beat if you jump out. I may be wrong but GL's F3 might make my D12 whiff btw. Obviously I'm not 100% sure it's a 5-5 because no one can be 100% sure about any MU. It's all debatable but that's just the way I see it. The only MU anyone can be 100% sure about is that the mirror is 5-5.

Isn't b22 xx RMSC +9...?

Also, to comment on b1. b1 is a fast low. Great...until you realize that b13 can be backdashed when not done at max distance, and afaik Flash can punish it. GL at the highest level really has to think how to use b1, because of that, and he tends to lose out on damage because of how he has to alter what he does with b1. On top of this, unless he's point-blank, f3 is not a major option unless you snuff out an advancing normal, which is a situational read. Neither is any of his other normals, other than f2d13, which hits high on the first hit, and can be used for gimmicky trickery into f2d1/stagger b1 shenanigans.

The normal controls space, but GL sometimes DOESN'T want to use it, even though he has to. If that makes sense.

 

[HoneyBee]

If I can debate that Lobo beats GL at the highest possible level, I wouldn't see much reason Flash wouldn't beat GL?
It sounds like your letting people abuse B1 and that it's this "Godlike" footsie tool.

I'm not too sure if Flash can punish B13 after backdashing it, but if you can you Have to backdash it. Even if you can't do it 100% of the time it makes the GL player think and many times, even in tournament it's made the GL player drop his combo because he was scared of me punishing him with a backdash. I would get hit by B1 -> Minigun or just raw B1 instead of a full combo.

Why would Lobo > GL also imply Flash > GL? They're two completely different characters. Yes Flash can punish B13 after backdashing it.

 

[Kinetic Balding1]

Cyborg is the noon saibot of injustice. A zoning character that has many good mu's but some really, bad mu's. Mid screen they are the same.

 

[HoneyBee]

Isn't b22 xx RMSC +9...?

lol no. It's at best +6.

what is "logic" lmao u acting like what u say goes and that is final. Who's to say flash doesn't lose 3-4 matchups? who's to say those debatable matchups for bane aren't losing matchups for him? Who's to say bane doesn't dominate more characters than flash does? U have a very narrow-minded view, which is fine but dnt act like what you are saying can't be argued against, because it can. Also since u want to call things "nonsense" flash having no losing matchups is complete nonsense. I doubt anyone can name me a fighting game character who had no losing matchups and wasn't top 2 at least lol. We can do this all day, but u and I both know the last spot for top 5 is still a topic of debate. Please stop acting like what u are saying is so "logical", because logical to you may not he logical to someone else, keep that in mind.

lol alright. We can agree to disagree. I could comment on a lot of what you just said but it seems that would be pointless.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

lol no. It's at best +6.


lol alright. We can agree to disagree. I could comment on a lot of what you just said but it seems that would be pointless.

I mean u could, but I could do the same , no hard feelings tho bro, I respect u defending ur opinion on flash, nothing wrong with that (I have done the same with many characters before). Also good stuff at tfc, flash so close to that tournament win here in america.

 

[THTB]

lol no. It's at best +6.

Oh, thought it was +9. MAYBE a reversal f3 would get over it, but I honestly doubt it.

 

[BillStickers]

uh lmao, OK. Saying something is "nonsense" is definitely ur opinion, but hey whatever makes you happy. All I know is, u have no way of justifying that ur opinion is true. "It doesn't make sense" maybe not to you, but u are one person and u can't dictate what I say is "nonsense" because once again those are ur thoughts. We can agree to disagree, but u can't just say "oh that's nonsense" because that is bs by my book.

http://rank.shoryuken.com/stats/index?game=IGAU

Flash has a better tournament record than Bane by far according to SRK.

 

[TKB]

It's not just rings. Tele away and puppet master are in her favor as well. Think about it, she gets a vortex off of a full screen mb puppet master. Sinestro gets 11% into either a couple dash ups or 1/3 trait charge. Both of those cost a bar of meter. Those damage numbers on projectiles seem even, but we cant really trade too much or Z can makea read with tele

We can agree to disagree man I think the risk reward is pretty equal for both characters. I've fought a few really strong Zatannas and it seems even to me just really annoying lol.

 

[Youphemism]

Literally only thing I would change is Flash to S tier, but besides that this is Kreygasm material.

Batman is definitely not A tier, more like high B

King? Is that you?

 

[Awkward Sloth]

I complain about people upplaying Harley because she is still being upplayed.

• People say that Black Adam has no lows, yet his low lightning is FASTER than Harley's f2.
• Superman's heat zap does more damage ON BLOCK than Harley gunshots do on hit.
• All of her tantrum stance options are full combo punishable.
• Her matchup discussions by Harley players are all based around best-case scenarios. I hear things like "well, if I get 2 joker pictures and a flower trait then I have more life and I'm doing bane damage and they're almost dead" in serious matchup discussion. No. Just no.
• The stages in this game almost always favor her opponent. Harley in cell block vs. any power character is a bloodbath.
• Her anti-air damage output is garbage and her actual anti-airs are terrible, so she's free to all kinds of jump shenanigans and crossup attempts.

D tier is defined by @General M2Dave as "Characters [that] have conspicuous flaws and weaknesses. They cannot break down opponents in the neutral game and their mix ups are either nonexistent or very low in damage. They have several very difficult match ups." That description fits Harley perfectly.

WAIT WAIT WAIT. Which Harley player has ever said anything good about her trait in that manner? Which Harley player has ever said anything good about her trait ever? I would like a word with them. Her trait is bottom 5 and Harley is like bottom 7. Harley players are just really good.

Nightwing players are not with their top 17 character.

 

[BillStickers]

WAIT WAIT WAIT. Which Harley player has ever said anything good about her trait in that manner? Which Harley player has ever said anything good about her trait ever? I would like a word with them. Her trait is bottom 5 and Harley is like bottom 7. Harley players are just really good.

Nightwing players are not with their top 17 character.

@AL Eevee

 

[Amplified$hotz]

lol no. It's at best +6.


lol alright. We can agree to disagree. I could comment on a lot of what you just said but it seems that would be pointless.

Can you flash parry between B13

 

[IMakeItL00kC00L]

We can agree to disagree man I think the risk reward is pretty equal for both characters. I've fought a few really strong Zatannas and it seems even to me just really annoying lol.

I guess we will . Yeah i've played some good zatanna's too. A lot of them i'll beat tho sumply because they tele all over the place but the ones that know the matchup make it seem a little difficult for me i guess.

 

[AK Stormthegates]

Black Adam way too high and superman should drop down like 4 spots. Otherwise outside of matchups this tierlist is pretty accurate.

 

[JustPressingButtons]

Real talk if anyone still says Killer Frost is still good, they need to get soul slapped.

 

[RM Truth]

So me thinking a character that has no agreed upon losing MUs but possibly 3 losing MUs is definitely better than a character that has 2 agreed upon losing MUs but possibly 7 or more losing MUs doesn't make sense to you?

Flash losing MU's = 0
Flash debatable losing MU's = 3 (maybe more)
Bane losing MU's = 2
Bane debatable losing MU's = 7 (maybe more)

I didn't think I had to justify logic but oh well, that's just your opinion.

You also have to look at the winning MUs as well. Bane more then makes up for it with the amount of characters he destroys. Flash, as far as I know does not body anyone 7-3 or better, and Bane probably wins like 2 or 3 MUs 7-3 or better.

 

[Ra Helios]

Dude man no she's not.
She's a bootleg version of Wonder Woman/The Flash with worse versions of everything they have really.

FINALIZE!!!!!

I main her and I know what she is capable of. She also have only 5 losing mu.

You do not main the character so you can't really talk about anything about what tier she actually is. So Stop and stop quoting everything I say. Its annoying. You do not know what you are talking about.

I cannot talk about grundy when I don't use the character.




You play catwoman? Do you know what she capable of according to mu? Also tech?


Hell No!!!!!

I have the right to put my character on what I believe the right tier list she qualify for. You cant because you do not use the character!!!!!!!

People are not going to listen to you when it comes to catwoman. This tier list is a opinion.

 

[M2Dave]

Real talk if anyone still says Killer Frost is still good, they need to get soul slapped.

She is good. But lots of people underestimated how badly she struggles at mid range. She is also at a disadvantage in many stages, even after their normalizations.

The two biggest bills were that she beat Aquaman and Sinestro. She does not. She gets annihilated in footsies.

 

[Slips]

I want to give @General M2Dave props for putting bias aside and putting DS where he should be and not going on a rant.

I will express my gratitude by saying I was somewhat worried when I saw Deathstroke's low gun recovery was increased. I thought just the chip should've been taken away, but in the end it's fine. Paulo did him good. Espcially when he gave him is super juicy d2.

 

[HoneyBee]

Can you flash parry between B13

Flash doesn't have a parry :/. If you're referring to speed dodge, the answer is no