You are really mixed up on this one. I am saying he would need a better d4 to give him a really good guessing game on hit, not that he needs one in general. And when Han talked about not being able to zone Smoke I am pretty sure he was talking about the Smoke/Cyrax MU which is what I was responding to.
What's wrong with Smoke's D4 as far as creating a guessing game? You have to worry about the machine gun D4 (D4, D4, D4) and decide whether to duck or not and risk the B2, you have to worry about the D4 into throw attempt, and of course, you have to worry about B2. I mean yeah, it's not exactly complicated but it's really effective. Why would he need a longer range D4 to get a really good guessing game? I guess what I'm trying to say is he already has a pretty good guessing game.
D4 on hit is really good. You can't really machine gun D4 so I am not sure what that is about because that is asking to get blown up. I am saying it does not open up other normals trapping people like Cyrax has. B23 is not an easy hit-confirm like 12~net and it would be really nice to have the option of hit-confirming into 214 smoke bomb when someone tries to jump out of your pressure.
Well yeah, of course Cyrax's D4 is better than Smoke's, and leaves him with a crap ton of options. Cyrax IS better than Smoke, period. But what do you mean you can't machine gun D4? I don't mean it in the Sub-Zero in the corner kind of way, where you're just spamming 8 frame D4's, even on block. But how many times do we see Wafflez land a D4 on hit, and then go into another one...and another one, and seeing whether you'd duck or not? It's a conditioning tool for later in the game. He's daring you. How many D4's would you take before you duck? And of course, he can always just throw after a D4 on hit.
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i dunno bout everyone else but i take 1-2 d4s maybe??? its not hard to see if b2 is coming for me lol
I don't know. I've seen high level players take about 4. Taking 1 and then ducking is a problem since a lot of times the Smoke players will just go for a B2 after a D4 on hit. Yeah, Smoke's neutral game is pretty dumb.
i guess...
Did you mean you could react to B2? I always found that difficult.
Well you know that I play against smoke players all the time. I never really have any problems with his D4 game.
Dude I swear TYM is filled with robots with insane reactions. I've almost never been able to react Smoke's B2 unless I'm half expecting it. Obviously D4 on block is no big deal. You block it and then just continue to play your game. But the whole thing with his D4 is you often won't block it because you're too afraid to crouch against him once he's in that range.
Compared to other fighters in MK9 yes b23 is more of a difficult hit confirm since you have to choose to confirm into bomb or use smoke away. You are not simply doing the special or not doing it. No need to tell me what is and what isn't with Smoke regarding hit-confirms in MK. I have spent 3.5 years with the character and understand him extremely well.
It still to this day is the closest Harley has ever gotten to winning a major & to me the biggest choke I've ever had in my career in the FGC.
Yeah I agree that you can't really react to b2 if you are not anticipating it. 15 frame overhead is godlike.
Get the fuck out of here, B23 is one of the easiest strings in the game to HC.
I'm not a robot, and don't have "insane" reactions but they are good.
What are you reading? It's 15 frames. You can react to his b2
LOL just no
