boba_buster
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Two pages back or so , I dunno maybe I was skimming too much and that was the only thing that caught my eye
The only similarity is the iceball but even that's pretty differentTwo pages back or so , I dunno maybe I was skimming too much and that was the only thing that caught my eye
Csz's ice ball looked a lot faster huh? I've yet to touch him , guess I should try him outThe only similarity is the iceball but even that's pretty different
Much quicker. Quicker recovery too I thinkCsz's ice ball looked a lot faster huh? I've yet to touch him , guess I should try him out
Yea at the end of the day no ones got a better corner game than GM , even with all the inconsistant shit and problems he has@bobabuster I don't think you're missing anything lol Cyber Sub-Zero has more tools by a large margin. I DO think GM's corner game is slightly better though.
All I said is it would be nice to have a poke that isn't B2, B3, or instant air dive kick/ slide. I'm getting used to using those tools more instead of down poking. B3 is the only safe option out of those.Two pages back or so , I dunno maybe I was skimming too much and that was the only thing that caught my eye
I think Cassies is betterYea at the end of the day no ones got a better corner game than GM , even with all the inconsistant shit and problems he has
He means me, Cause clearly im the only one that thinks that with the lack of decent mids/normals with the exception of 1 or 2 and the fact that he cant make himself safe or have plus frames on any meterburned special like Normal Sub has on his Iceball and cant keep pressure on the opponent makes this character like top stuff... CZ0 is not bad dont get me wrong, his just not good... Still have fun playing him regardlessAll I said is it would be nice to have a poke that isn't B2, B3, or instant air dive kick/ slide. I'm getting used to using those tools more instead of down poking. B3 is the only safe option out of those.
Yes his freeze should be punishable. Im all for normalizing his hard to blockables in the corner for some better poking tools. His b3d4 isn't even that hard to block once you learn the tech anyways
Really how?I think Cassies is better
Higher damage, consistent, no fear of armor, and better mix-ups, and safe on both optionsReally how?
The mixups is the same. She definitely still has to fear armour as well. Better damage? How high? Cassies only safe with meterHigher damage, consistent, no fear of armor, and better mix-ups, and safe on both options
The only thing she lacks is throw into clone, and needs meter to be safe on the overhead. So maybe "even with Sub" would be fairer.
safe with meter is better than unsafe no matter what (like Subs B2 against 95% of the cast), she doesn't have to fear armour if you use the vortexThe mixups is the same. She definitely still has to fear armour as well. Better damage? How high? Cassies only safe with meter
She has a restand?safe with meter is better than unsafe no matter what (like Subs B2 against 95% of the cast), she doesn't have to fear armour if you use the vortex
MB nut punch guarantees a mix up. I think Brawler has a meterless one too.She has a restand?
This guys argument seems to be if you have infinite meter Cassie is better in the cornerMB nut punch guarantees a mix up. I think Brawler has a meterless one too.
Ironically, I think CSZ can beat MB nut punch invincibility with his corner game. Bomb or MB bomb should catch it regardless of if we block or not.
Can you guy think of any other characters like this, who's armor options are bodied by bombs? So far, I've caught Tempest Lao, Raiden, D'Vorah, Shirai Ryu Takeda... I know there are more, there has to be. I suspect Crystal Tremor, Sun God Kotal, Quan Chi, and some others.
You're not the only one. I agree too. The lack of mids is bad.He means me, Cause clearly im the only one that thinks that with the lack of decent mids/normals with the exception of 1 or 2 and the fact that he cant make himself safe or have plus frames on any meterburned special like Normal Sub has on his Iceball and cant keep pressure on the opponent makes this character like top stuff... CZ0 is not bad dont get me wrong, his just not good... Still have fun playing him regardless
I have found b3 works well as a counter poke tool against low profile d4's, but the timing is tight. If you're not in the corner, B2 xx bomb setup is almost better than a counter poke option. Against down 1 and 3, b2 has been my go to option. It's weird not using real pokes most of the match, but I'm getting better at MU's such as J Cage, Kano, etc.You're not the only one. I agree too. The lack of mids is bad.
The only one is F4, but it gets low profiles easy. My training partners are learning the MU now, and facing chars like say A-List has become a real headache. His D4 beats CSZ entire moveset. And when I block it I can't punish because a 2nd D4 hits any follow up. All I can do is risk an unsafe DK, but he can block and full combo punish. My only "safe" option is to back away after a blocked D4. Having so many limited options after blocking it can make you hesitate, and then you block a F3 and his in your face. Not enjoying this MU at all anymore to the point that I've started switching to my other main.
This is just one example, but I can see certain characters becoming a real problem because of this. Still a good character, but I think the Top 5 talk is more of a Day 3 talk than week 3 talk at this point. Characters like Alien, Takeda, Mileena are clearly better imo.
Yup I've had to resort to the same. B2 bomb/B2 icebeam/ even B2 slide lol. There's just no way to poke with characters like that without losing in it. I tried B3 out but it seemed either too strict to be reliable for me or spacing specific to work consistently. Not too sure why it worked sometimes and not others so I resort to risky DK, jump away, or B2~stuff.I have found b3 works well as a counter poke tool against low profile d4's, but the timing is tight. If you're not in the corner, B2 xx bomb setup is almost better than a counter poke option. Against down 1 and 3, b2 has been my go to option. It's weird not using real pokes most of the match, but I'm getting better at MU's such as J Cage, Kano, etc.
Umm... Normal sub zero isn't plus or safe off a ex ice ball , he's -8 , anyone with a 7 frame starter can full combo punish at point blank rangeHe means me, Cause clearly im the only one that thinks that with the lack of decent mids/normals with the exception of 1 or 2 and the fact that he cant make himself safe or have plus frames on any meterburned special like Normal Sub has on his Iceball and cant keep pressure on the opponent makes this character like top stuff... CZ0 is not bad dont get me wrong, his just not good... Still have fun playing him regardless
F4 xx Ice Beam can work well too. CS0 is just a completely different play style that capitalizes on opponent mistakes. I try to stay right outside my opponents furthest reaching quick normal until i have a bomb on the screen most of the match.Yup I've had to resort to the same. B2 bomb/B2 icebeam/ even B2 slide lol. There's just no way to poke with characters like that without losing in it. I tried B3 out but it seemed either too strict to be reliable for me or spacing specific to work consistently. Not too sure why it worked sometimes and not others so I resort to risky DK, jump away, or B2~stuff.
I use F4~EX Ice beam a lot, so when I do F4 raw it rarely gets punished in fear of being frozen and allows me to get out occasional F43 if I use it minimally. Since there's really no need for meter most of it I use in F4~EX Beam, or 50/50~EX Beam now, and whenever I need an armor escape.F4 xx Ice Beam can work well too. CS0 is just a completely different play style that capitalizes on opponent mistakes. I try to stay right outside my opponents furthest reaching quick normal until i have a bomb on the screen most of the match.
It'd be nice if F4 was -6
Raiden's superman? That doesn't sound right. I'm guessing you were just testing against shocker and his vicinity blast? Because he has 2 more armors on top of that fyiMB nut punch guarantees a mix up. I think Brawler has a meterless one too.
Ironically, I think CSZ can beat MB nut punch invincibility with his corner game. Bomb or MB bomb should catch it regardless of if we block or not.
Can you guy think of any other characters like this, who's armor options are bodied by bombs? So far, I've caught Tempest Lao, Raiden, D'Vorah, Shirai Ryu Takeda... I know there are more, there has to be. I suspect Crystal Tremor, Sun God Kotal, Quan Chi, and some others.
1 bar for restand + 1 bar for safety really isn't that much for a character that has great pressure with staggers off B125 which leave plus, B2122+4 string, double hitting lightning iAG and one of the best characters for pressing buttons in general in the gameThis guys argument seems to be if you have infinite meter Cassie is better in the corner