will nrs keep breaking cyrax?

[galindo]

Personally I liked this game alot more earlier on in its life, back when lots of characters had dirty stuff. Kung Lao was stupid,Cyrax was stupid,Raiden was stupid,Subzero was stupid,Reptile was stupid,Smoke was stupid, Kitana was stupid, etc etc. Everyone had they're share of dirty shit. Life was good, and there was much rejoicing.
Toning down the dirty shit just made the game more boring to me. They should have just left it all in and continued buffing the weaker characters. Jax is better now,Sheeva is better now, Baraka is better now.

Cyrax was just one of many characters that had dirty shit. I couldnt complain about Cyrax, it would be hypocritical to do so when I had my own dirty shit(Subs 2,1,2,iceball,EX ground freeze was dirty as hell)Kabal couldnt complain, he could fire off IAGB's as fast as a machine gun. Kitana could do ridiculously damaging combo's that much of the damage was unbreakable. Raidens vicinity blast was like what? +15000000 on block?

Its only after all this other dirt has been taken out that Cyrax appears all the more dirtier now. But hes not really, its just that they cleaned everyone else up.

Dirty shit is fun. Embrace the dirt. Bring back the lost dirt. Give characters with no dirt some dirt. If the game gets dirty enough, maybe Il pick it up again.

yeah well most of them lost that stuff, and so should cyrax. he shouldnt be an exception.

 

[THTB]

Okay, for those against 60% damage, play Cyrax for like 2 months against top players and come back and tell me no one should have it.

I don't even use Cyrax, but I learned a bit about him from the few times I did play Cyrax, and that's when it hit me.

Also, no one should have anything over 50% damage for no meter? Play UMK3. Play ST. Play Alpha 2 or 3. Play CvS2. Play fucking DBZ Budokai. Hell, even older Tekkens. Shit...play Virtua Fighter. How about Naruto Clash of Ninja (Digimon can back me up on that one LMAO). Obviously having absurd damage doesn't really mean anything because some of the greatest games in history you could die at any moment for getting touched once, with or without meter, and they aren't even resets. I say it again, people are spoiled by new fighters having ass damage. So what if it's a reset? All-in-all, it's a combo...who cares if it resets the scaling or not? Cyrax really only does like 15% less without the reset anyway, so what exactly is the point of taking it away in a game where chip damage is on everything?

Besides, there's still dirty stuff in this game, and it's arguably still worse than other newer-gen fighters. Jax can kill you in the corner still, Reptile's elbow on block is a little bit safer, Sektor has a 6f jab still that he can use to interrupt pressure and instantly start his own (I bet most people here don't even know that), Kabal's iaGB nuff said, Sonya having a 3f divekick that leads to 40% + reset into free chip damage (If anyone has played a fighter with divekicks, you'd know how absurd 3f divekick sounds)...so on and so forth. Dirty stuff still exists in this game. Quite a lot of it. Why must Cyrax be bitched about still...?

 

[galindo]

youre comparing this to dbz budokai and naruto? cmon now...i love me some anime but those games lick balls.


but anyways

none of that dirty stuff leads to 100%combos...except for maybe jax.
and thats why people are complaining about cyrax...not so much for jax, not sure why. but still.

 

[Ninj]

Okay, for those against 60% damage, play Cyrax for like 2 months against top players and come back and tell me no one should have it.

I don't even use Cyrax, but I learned a bit about him from the few times I did play Cyrax, and that's when it hit me.

Also, no one should have anything over 50% damage for no meter? Play UMK3. Play ST. Play Alpha 2 or 3. Play CvS2. Play fucking DBZ Budokai. Hell, even older Tekkens. Shit...play Virtua Fighter. How about Naruto Clash of Ninja (Digimon can back me up on that one LMAO). Obviously having absurd damage doesn't really mean anything because some of the greatest games in history you could die at any moment for getting touched once, with or without meter, and they aren't even resets. I say it again, people are spoiled by new fighters having ass damage. So what if it's a reset? All-in-all, it's a combo...who cares if it resets the scaling or not? Cyrax really only does like 15% less without the reset anyway, so what exactly is the point of taking it away in a game where chip damage is on everything?

Besides, there's still dirty stuff in this game, and it's arguably still worse than other newer-gen fighters. Jax can kill you in the corner still, Reptile's elbow on block is a little bit safer, Sektor has a 6f jab still that he can use to interrupt pressure and instantly start his own (I bet most people here don't even know that), Kabal's iaGB nuff said, Sonya having a 3f divekick that leads to 40% + reset into free chip damage (If anyone has played a fighter with divekicks, you'd know how absurd 3f divekick sounds)...so on and so forth. Dirty stuff still exists in this game. Quite a lot of it. Why must Cyrax be bitched about still...?

Cyrax doesn't need to be bitched about so vehemently. If you're getting completely dominated by a Cyrax player, yes, he can take the round in a couple combos. But last I checked, a lot of characters can do this (Scorpion, Sonya, Ermac, Reptile...anyone with a ~40% midscreen combo). Cyrax has plenty of weaknesses, like getting momentum going, just like other characters. Since all this is theory anyway, in theory you have breakers for those kinds of combos. Be smart, jump less, get caught by fewer nets.

As long as 60%+ combos are difficult on a technical level, I've got no problem with them.

 

[THTB]

youre comparing this to dbz budokai and naruto? cmon now...i love me some anime but those games lick balls.


but anyways

none of that dirty stuff leads to 100%combos...except for maybe jax.
and thats why people are complaining about cyrax...not so much for jax, not sure why. but still.

My point behind listing those games is that they are all examples of games that are littered with 50%+ combos, and it in no way destroys them or is one of the actual problems with the games. Also, Budokai is not bad unless you're talking the first one or Burst Limit.

And Cyrax doesn't get 100% combos, he gets 60% with 1 bar doing stuff that's not even as dangerous as what the hell Jax does overall. There's really no reason to complain about Cyrax anymore the minute you actually sit down and learn about him.

 

[galindo]

My point behind listing those games is that they are all examples of games that are littered with 50%+ combos, and it in no way destroys them or is one of the actual problems with the games. Also, Budokai is not bad unless you're talking the first one or Burst Limit.

And Cyrax doesn't get 100% combos, he gets 60% with 1 bar doing stuff that's not even as dangerous as what the hell Jax does overall. There's really no reason to complain about Cyrax anymore the minute you actually sit down and learn about him.

well that can be a bit debatable to a lot of people,

but anyways back on cyrax,
he can get more than 60% with one bar.
IMO the way to make this better would be to let escape those resets with ex moves(all situations not just some because i know some situation you can escape)

but also
just think of it this way, if he got rid of his inescapable resets, would he be really any worse more than baraka,jade,sheeva, sindel, stryker, quanchi, cyber sub zero, sub zero, sektor, noob saibot, skarlett, kenshi, nightwolf, etc etc.

 

[THTB]

Well yeah, of course some people don't enjoy that. But to say the amount of competition in these games were not harmed by high damage output in general is not really debatable.

Cyrax without the resets would be a really lacking Cyrax, really. Again, damage aside, his attributes as a character are not stellar by any means, and getting the damage is problematic not only due to difficulties opening up, but also because of breakers in general.

 

[galindo]

Well yeah, of course some people don't enjoy that. But to say the amount of competition in these games were not harmed by high damage output in general is not really debatable.

Cyrax without the resets would be a really lacking Cyrax, really. Again, damage aside, his attributes as a character are not stellar by any means, and getting the damage is problematic not only due to difficulties opening up, but also because of breakers in general.

, he "would be really lacking" maybe....just maybe..but i personally seriously doubt it.


but again

would he be in a worse position than baraka, jade, nightwolf, quan chi, sheeva, sub zero, noob saibot. etc etc.

of course not! absolutely not.

 

[THTB]

He's going to get worse over time, as the tech and strategies evolve.

 

[BookBurning]

By the time a Cyrax player gets you in a combo that does 60 percent damage, alot of times he would have already taken that much from you. I mean that is a large generalization but I seriously don't think Cyrax is on par with other characters without his damage; like, at all.

I can do almost 50 percent with NO bar as Rain, I don't see people complaining, nor do I see a ton of Rains anywhere. Point is, some characters have and need the damage, some don't. Cyrax is one that does.

Hell if I had my way I'd take better normals and specials any day over damage.

 

[galindo]

cyrax has good normals...and damage...and a teleport...and in not much need for armor move...and good pokes..

He's going to get worse over time, as the tech and strategies evolve.

you nostradamus bro?

 

[THTB]

Cyrax's normals are solid, but they're no Mileena/Sub d4 or Jax jab, or even Reptile 3.

What I mean about him getting worse over time is a lot of people are going to become more aware of his holes in his stuff that people currently don't exploit all that much. Same could be said for a lot of characters, actually.

 

[Mt. Mutombo]

He's going to get worse over time, as the tech and strategies evolve.

Not a truer post was posted before this one!

People will catch on, people will eventually learn how to escape his setups and bomb traps.

 

[RomeoBravoDelta]

Cyrax's greatest tool is psychological. Once people stop fearing the nets, Cyrax is in a bad spot. There are a lot of characters that can do bad things to Cyrax once his chest opens, and the ones that can't are called "bad match-ups."

 

[Past]

Well yeah, of course some people don't enjoy that. But to say the amount of competition in these games were not harmed by high damage output in general is not really debatable.

Cyrax without the resets would be a really lacking Cyrax, really. Again, damage aside, his attributes as a character are not stellar by any means, and getting the damage is problematic not only due to difficulties opening up, but also because of breakers in general.

"Lacking"? You're acting as if Cyrax without the resets would result in a non-viable character, which I highly doubt.

 

[KTH]

cyrax has good normals...and damage...and a teleport...and armor move...and good pokes..


you nostradamus bro?

Hmm, armor moves and good teleport??? This is not about online fighter who spam teleports. Lol you don't know jack shiz about cyrax. Please stop wasting our time. Here's the theory. Try to learn cyrax before you debate about the character. Yes cyrax has easier time beating scrubs. When it come to high level, cyrax has a lot of obstacles to overcome.

 

[galindo]

Hmm, armor moves and good teleport??? This is not about online fighter who spam teleports. Lol you don't know jack shiz about cyrax. Please stop wasting our time. Here's the theory. Try to learn cyrax before you debate about the character. Yes cyrax has easier time beating scrubs. When it come to high level, cyrax has a lot of obstacles to overcome.

I've had decent practice with vvv krazies cyrax, and ill tell you he ain't no joke.

Im definitely not the best but you can find video of me in one of the recent articles in the front page.


Most teleports suck, but cyrax's is actually decent. Didn't say it was good.


And im just saying, there are character with no teleport, no armor moves, and slow pokes.

An most of all, you're a idiot, every character will have a lot of obstacles to overcome at high level. Wich is kinda what I've been traying to say all aong. There are many other characes that have twice as many obstacles to overcome

 

[KTH]

I've had decent practice with vvv krazies cyrax, and ill tell you he ain't no joke.

Im definitely not the best but you can find video of me in one of the recent articles in the front page.


Most teleports suck, but cyrax's is actually decent. Didn't say it was good.


And im just saying, there are character with no teleport, no armor moves, and slow pokes.

An most of all, you're a idiot, every character will have a lot of obstacles to overcome at high level. Wich is kinda what I've been traying to say all aong. There are many other characes that have twice as many obstacles to overcome

K, Let me slow down so you can understand.

1. Which armor move does cyrax has??? Zero.

2. K, you're putting krazie names in here. So in term of competition, who do you think has better competition?? krazie or maxter??? Please do not say krazie. whether you like it or not, new york has the best competition in mk right now. Their level is higher than the rest of the region. You're losing to krazie doesn't mean cyrax is good. It just mean you don't know deal against cyrax.

3. Lol the only time i use teleport is in the combos. Maybe occasional read on predictable pattern. His teleport is one of the worst. You're talking shiz out of your ass here again.

4. cyrax poking is decent but nowhere as good compare to others. He has trouble approaching. His worst match up are super hard. Probably some of the worst match up.

 

[THTB]

"Lacking"? You're acting as if Cyrax without the resets would result in a non-viable character, which I highly doubt.

Again, as this game evolves and players get better and more experienced, Cyrax will get worse. Nobody sees that right now because, again, nobody really knows how to fight Cyrax still.

Why do you guys think Maxter has been playing with other characters?

 

[Sao87]

If they ever successfully remove all the broken resets Cyrax is still limited to 55% combos that lead into safe jump situations (AKA: still the highest damaging bnb).

NRS thought they removed a broken bug and to brace themselves against the Cyrax community outcry they buffed other specials.

When Cyrax is actually fixed players will learn how to use him just like every other character in the cast and he will still be a top contender. People defending his touch of death capabilities are annoying.

 

[KTH]

If they ever successfully remove all the broken resets Cyrax is still limited to 55% combos that lead into safe jump situations (AKA: still the highest damaging bnb).

NRS thought they removed a broken bug and to brace themselves against the Cyrax community outcry they buffed other specials.

When Cyrax is actually fixed players will learn how to use him just like every other character in the cast and he will still be a top contender. People defending his touch of death capabilities are annoying.

I don't think we argue about nerfing damage. I can live with damage nerf but not with nerfing reset,findings... What's the point of spending time in practice mode to find set up so they can take them out later???

Out of curiousity, how do you safe jump in a 55% combo without the reset?? please do not exaggerate to make a point.

touch of death?? are you serious?? Good luck getting it in a real match.

 

[Tom Brady]

this thread is ridiculous. i guess i should have held the community and nrs hostage after power up by saying "if you change sub-zero i am gonna quit". why is the thread even open still.....

 

[Sao87]

I don't think we argue about nerfing damage. I can live with damage nerf but not with nerfing reset,findings... What's the point of spending time in practice mode to find set up so they can take them out later???

Out of curiousity, how do you safe jump in a 55% combo without the reset?? please do not exaggerate to make a point.

touch of death?? are you serious?? Good luck getting it in a real match.

jip 21 net, jip 21 ex bomb -> medium bomb, uppercut -> b2 -> 121 teleport

The teleport gives Cyrax a safe jump opportunity on opponents wake up. COOL.

Touch of death = Land a net, do a reset.

 

[KTH]

jip 21 net, jip 21 ex bomb -> medium bomb, uppercut -> b2 -> 121 teleport

The teleport gives Cyrax a safe jump opportunity on opponents wake up. COOL.

Touch of death = Land a net, do a reset.

I don't think that's a safe jump buddy. If he can wake up, he can hit you. You may confuse the opponent of their wake up timing. Definition of safe jump = they'll still get hit if they wake up. Example: kitana's cutter after hit, mileena teleport kick, cyrax command grab... That combo's not even 55 percent p. Of course, I'll go home and test it for myself but in theory that's not a safe jump.

 

[xenogorgeous]

well, against Cyrax, better watch out for his nets, try to avoid to be caught for just a simple one, no matter what .... and , at any cost, try to have a combo breaker settled and ready , just in case of emergency.

Kung Lao still is more annoying regarding escaping pressure coming from him, than Cyrax ..... Nonetheless, in time, any single character will have a dirty combo or sequence found, and so, the MK roster will be exposed, hehe .....