You can't be serious. Captain Marvel is on par with Superman in terms of strength and he can keep up with Flash with the Speed of Mercury along with all his magic shit. Adam is pretty much the same but more ruthless in his approaches which makes him more dangerous. It's not a clean cut victory for either of them but theres no way Wonder Woman takes it that easily.And Black Adam and Captain Marvel do not stand a chance against Wonder Woman.
I'm not saying she takes it easily, I'm saying they do not stand a chance. And opposite to Superman, Wonder Woman isn't prone to magical attacks. That is why Black Adam and Cpt. beat Superman's ass on the regular. Her bracelets would deflect a lot of their magic-based projectiles so throw that out of the window and CQC I'm sorry but they do not stand a chance. Cpt is just too reckless and immature and not only that but he never applies any type of speed into his tactics in battle which I'm sure if he did she would eventually catch him in her lasso then it's game over. Black Adam would rely on brute force, trying to prove himself to a demi-god which would be his downfall. Wonder Woman will take them both out.You can't be serious. Captain Marvel is on par with Superman in terms of strength and he can keep up with Flash with the Speed of Mercury along with all his magic shit. Adam is pretty much the same but more ruthless in his approaches which makes him more dangerous. It's not a clean cut victory for either of them but theres no way Wonder Woman takes it that easily.
Semantics. It has never been labeled or refereed to in any shape or form as "IMP" and has never come close to the destruction in that video.He's approaching speeds of light. Increasing his mass to near infinite. Infinite Mass Punch.
You dont give her magic any credit.I dont think you have read my text. DD's healing factor and his adapting abilities after he "dies" from something are two entirely different things. Superman has cut him once with a pretty badass sword and he regenerated instantly. Plus no one, ever, except Superman, has managed to even hurt DD psychically in any way. You give WW way too much credit. I am speaking with facts here and you are always bring up the subject of "she has magic and she will kick his ass". Superman is known to be weak vs magic. DD is not. I ll say it again. Magic alone cant save WW from DD. If that was the case Shazam and BA could face him head on as well and that wont happen, like ever. Also i really dont understand how you measure "victory" here. You cut off DD's ability to adapt to whatever has killed him, but then you proceed to say, "if WW is prepared with her magical weapons she can beat DD". Thats unfair if you ask me. True victory means that you defeated your opponent. For good. With DD that wont happen, like ever, except if he faces DC's big guns. Point being, if you count DD's adapting ability after his "death", none in the entire IGAU (if we are still talking about IGAU characters alone) roster has the means to face DD. As i said before, this is the reason he was toned down.
Guess we ll just have to wait for New 52 DD.
Yeah he definitely always holds back. Even in the Avengers movie, hold back against i-Man, and hulk, and against his brother until he sucker-stabs THOR. One part that didnt make sense was when THOR tried to Hammer Capt Murica... that was way too much power and if not blocked would have turned Capt to mushy goo.... not sure wtf THOR was doing there.Nah, its not so much Thor forgets. He holds back against mortals - it's well documented. His biggest problem is sometimes he is used as a jobber to make the read say "OMG! Look Thor was defeated so this guy must be super duper tough!". But who doesn't fall victim to PiS time to time?
Anyway:
"T'was a gradual thing. In Asgard, I have mostly struggled 'gainst Gods. On Midgard we have mostly met human menaces. To avoid murder of these men and avoid humbling my friends I came to act less of what I am."
"In past encounters mayhaps I hesitated loosing my full against thee!"
"O'er the year I have battled so many mortals that I hesitate to strike with all my force for fear of killing them"
On and on and on.
Then you have instances where, when it wasn't time to mess about he defeated Gladiator in short order saying "I can no longer hold back!", the utter humiliation of iron Man when he was pissed off, handling Hulk with ease when there was no time to mess around. Yes, certainly Thor's personality gets in the way but its born of the aforementioned reasons above.
But again, back on topic Black Adam wins
You can't be serious. Captain Marvel is on par with Superman in terms of strength and he can keep up with Flash with the Speed of Mercury along with all his magic shit. Adam is pretty much the same but more ruthless in his approaches which makes him more dangerous. It's not a clean cut victory for either of them but theres no way Wonder Woman takes it that easily.
Lex Luthor II, some of DD's feats:
All WW has is her magical toys, and even that is controversial against DD. For all we know, he might be immune to magical attacks, cause he might have faced magical beings before. Also FYI her lasso does not work against him, for the simple reason that his mind is pure rage and anger, therefore mind control=QQ's.
JLA and Darkseid are only some of the feats i presented.... You should really get over that... Yeah thats all she has against DD.So magic DOES work on him, but it didnt do anything because the magic that was working on him was working on a mind that wasnt there.
" All WW has is her magical toys,"
Yeah thats all she has, for sure. <3
WW has taken out the JL by herself too. And Doomsday gets stabbed and fucked up by swords, so what prevents his head from going byebye?
You should look up WWs feats too, it clear you've only looked up Doomsdays. You might be surprised.
Quality Johns writing. They had J'onn slap the entire teams shit by himself a year before Trinity War started and apparently those 2 are the strongest.-snip
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lol trolling?JLA and Darkseid are only some of the feats i presented.... You should really get over that... Yeah thats all she has against DD.
"So magic DOES work on him, but it didnt do anything because the magic that was working on him was working on a mind that wasnt there."=immune to magic, learn the difference. Adaptation during a fight>petty magic toys. If you think WW can simply decapitate DD, then by all means keep believing that. Your trolling is getting tiresome.
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Sadly, whenever you put up a valid argument about a particular subject, it will be labeled as trolling.lol trolling?
"OMG HE DOESNT AGREE WITH ME! HE'S TROLLING!"
Why not look up WWs feats and people who shes defeated, beings much more powerful than Doomsday, and tell me she has no shot.
"trolling". . . cute.
While you have made some valid points and I do agree with you about the outcome of the fight, this paragraph is full of incredibly weak arguments and inaccuracies.Lex Luthor II, some of DD's feats:
We are talking about here about a being that is way older and more experienced in fighting than WW, Superman and the vast majority of the DC universe, has survived for hundred of centuries through fighting alone, doesnt need to rest, can breath in the vacuum of space, can adapt during a fight against any form of difficulty, has almost unlimited strength, durability and healing factor abilities and you are telling me that WW stands a chance against all that. Ok... Also keep in mind that i m talking about the ORIGINAL DD, not his earlier nerfed versions, which, even those, have defeated WW and the entire JLA on numerous occasions. I present you facts, not stupidly written comics as you said in some of your previous posts. All WW has is her magical toys, and even that is controversial against DD. For all we know, he might be immune to magical attacks, cause he might have faced magical beings before. Also FYI her lasso does not work against him, for the simple reason that his mind is pure rage and anger, therefore mind control=QQ's.
People, ey.Sadly, whenever you put up a valid argument about a particular subject, it will be labeled as trolling.
Out of curiosity, what issue was that Superman scan from? I remember him destroying one of Saturn's moons without even breaking a sweat in the first Superman/Batman volume. I just want to know why he was knocked out cold in that scan you posted.Morrison's JLA (90's). White Martian Invasion. Flash does it to Zum and knocks him the fuck out. Flash Fact.
Early 2000's JLA had Superman do something similar to blow up a moon.
Well, Johns a GL so I have to assume it's before Rebirth and after Morrisons run of JLA.Out of curiosity, what issue was that Superman scan from? I remember him destroying one of Saturn's moons without even breaking a sweat in the first Superman/Batman volume. I just want to know why he was knocked out cold in that scan you posted.
Which versions of what? Prehistoric Krypton was much older than Prehistoric earth for sure. They were trapped and fighting for a thousand years. DD was exiled and imprisoned in Earth for thousand of centuries alone. So yeah i believe DD is older than WW and, of course, Superman. Ofc DD is more experienced in fighting than WW.While you have made some valid points and I do agree with you about the outcome of the fight, this paragraph is full of incredibly weak arguments and inaccuracies.
The experience factor is likely a wash depending on which versions of the characters we use. WW and Superman spent a thousand years trapped in another world fighting constantly. WW's age is also a wild card depending on the incarnation we're using. The Amazons in some versions are immortal so she could indeed be very old. (This is not the case in the Nu52 of course.) And I'm sure you are not arguing that DD is more skilled at fighting than WW.
The real problem comes when you talk about the lasso. Unless you have a scan showing the lasso having no effect on him, you have absolutely no basis to make that claim. The fact that his mind is pure rage and anger does not protect him from the lasso's powers. In fact, it's likely to work against him as the lasso has the ability to subdue those ensnared within it. There is also the fact that it is indestructible and he would not be able to break free. The lasso, like WW and DD, has had various levels of power over the years. Under Gail Simone's run it boasted some pretty frightening additional abilities. I'm not sure if DD has a soul though, so on that front he might be safe from those aspects of its effects.
Lastly, claiming that DD might be immune to magic is entirely baseless unless you can point to a comic that indicates such. Barring that, any line of argument stemming from that assumption is entirely invalid.
And just an aside, those "stupidly written comics" that you referred to are the basis of those "facts." Yes, there have been some horrible writers who have done great disservice to characters over the years, so much so that it is impossible to take them seriously. (See Batman vs just about everyone who should kill him with a cough.) I haven't seen any scans posted so far in this thread that rise to that level, so you have to except them or post additional scans that directly counter them.
As I've said, I think Doomsday is the one to beat (discounting Ares obviously). He was created to be unstoppable. It's hard to argue against that. *However,* WW has more weapons at her disposal to take him on than others in the league. They may be silly to you but they are incredibly powerful and not to be ignored. I say she goes down, but it's not as easily as you think.
It's hardly good PR for the comics if Batman said "Uh, yeah two are pretty hot shit but really, not the best".
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Sorry but i dont see a valid arguement here. All i see is same old same old. I presented him with facts and he answered by saying the same stuff he keeps on saying for the last 15 pages. Even if magical attacks work on DD, he will adapt during the fight, be immune in a matter of minutes and the same attack wont work again. Same applies IF he dies. Chopping DD's head is like saying "ok i ll just go and chop off Galactus's head or Thanos's head". Sorry, but it doesnt work like that. And since DD is more experienced than WW in a fight, even if he senses he is in danger he will avoid the attack and counter attack. Simple as that.Sadly, whenever you put up a valid argument about a particular subject, it will be labeled as trolling.
y u no answer my question?Sorry but i dont see a valid arguement here. All i see is same old same old. I presented him with facts and he answered by saying the same stuff he keeps on saying for the last 15 pages. Even if magical attacks work on DD, he will adapt during the fight, be immune in a matter of minutes and the same attack wont work again. Same applies IF he dies. Chopping DD's head is like saying "ok i ll just go and chop off Galactus's head or Thanos's head". Sorry, but it doesnt work like that. And since DD is more experienced than WW in a fight, even if he senses he is in danger he will avoid the attack and counter attack. Simple as that.
Wut question?y u no answer my question?