When is the right time for patches?

[Juggs]

As far as fixing bugs, glitch, infinites, and things like this, patches should come ASAP for these things. Balance patches, however, should come at the very least 6 months from one another. This is good for the developers AND consumers. The players will get to play the same game for awhile without having to relearn the game every other week. We get to find out if something actually IS too good or not good enough and we're able to properly learn the match-ups. But spreading the balance patches out also allows the game to stay fresh for a much longer period of time. If they spread out the balance patches for MK9, the game would have turned out so much better and it would still have a lot of life in the tournament scene. Not to mention patching every other week turns people off of the game because most people don't have the time to relearn the game after every patch. And it also gives you something to look forward to, instead of like it was in MK9 and desperately HOPING NRS would be kind enough to do one last patch.

Waiting at least 6 months for balance patches not only is good for the players, it's good for the developers and the game.

 

[x0Kakashi]

Back in the day they would release a game and say have fun for 2 years. Now we are so spoiled that we demand patches within 3 days, go figure

 

[Hitoshura]

With all of the controversy that comes from each balance patch in a fighting game, when do you guys think is the right time to do a giant balance patch? Also, is it better to do tiny hotfixes or is it better to do giant balance patches that affect everyone?

Depends on how complex the game is, and how much depth each character has. Games such as SSF2T, SF3TS, MVC2, GGXXAC+, and etc. can take a while to develop and be fleshed out enough. As of late, I have been told that in SSF2T HD some new tech was found with T.Hawk which makes him a great character now.

 

[Vilén]

They could release a patch per week for all I fucking care as long as the balance changes are based on absolutely nothing but the recommendations of top level players.

The majority of "casuals" get the privilege of the game being balanced in accordance with their own whims and incompetence and still haven't even noticed that Deathstroke was nerfed. They get exactly what they ask for and still continue complaining about the same shit or just make up something new to bitch about. Then they come here and bitch and piss and whine and moan about WTF ever it is they can't wrap their needlewangs around and will tell dudes who place like top 16 in every tournament they go to that they don't know dick because these guys played a laggy match once.

All of this would be... not fine, but at least easily ignorable if it weren't for the fact these cocktards literally get 99% of what they want. And this is a stupid, stupid thing to do. There's no point. You can nerf everything, everything the scrubs whine about and it either won't change anything and they'll continue bitching or you'll just force them to find something new to BAAAAAWWWWW about because that patch they got that nerfed everything they hated didn't actually make them better at the game.

It's an easy trap to fall into because people who are terrible at the game make up the majority of the people who buy it, but the people who are actually good at the game and dedicate time to it are the ones who are actually guaranteed to buy the next game. But patching the game from something challenging and unique into Scrubfighter 2000: Rock/Paper/Scissors Edition because WAAAAAH I CAN'T BEAT CHARACTERS WITH RANGE ON THIS TERRIBLE NETCODE I WAS PROVIDED WITH makes it really hard to convince people who aren't just serious players, but serious humans, to enjoy the game and stick around for sequels.

NRS's current patch theory is basically "fuck people who actually play the game."

hecterrific
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[MorbidAltruism]

They could release a patch per week for all I fucking care as long as the balance changes are based on absolutely nothing but the recommendations of top level players.

The majority of "casuals" get the privilege of the game being balanced in accordance with their own whims and incompetence still haven't even noticed that Deathstroke was nerfed. They get exactly what they ask for and still continue complaining about the same shit or just make up something new to bitch about. Then they come here and bitch and piss and whine and moan about WTF ever it is they can't wrap their needlewangs around and will tell dudes who place like top 16 in every tournament they go to that they don't know dick because these guys played a laggy match once.

All of this would be... not fine, but at least easily ignorable if it weren't for the fact these cocktards literally get 99% of what they want. And this is a stupid, stupid thing to do. There's no point. You can nerf everything, everything the scrubs whine about and it either won't change anything and they'll continue bitching or you'll just force them to find something new to BAAAAAWWWWW about because that patch they got that nerfed everything they hated didn't actually make them better at the game.

It's an easy trap to fall into because people who are terrible at the game make up the majority of the people who buy it, but the people who are actually good at the game and dedicate time to it are the ones who are actually guaranteed to buy the next game. But patching the game from something challenging and unique into Scrubfighter 2000: Rock/Paper/Scissors Edition because WAAAAAH I CAN'T BEAT CHARACTERS WITH RANGE ON THIS TERRIBLE NETCODE I WAS PROVIDED WITH makes it really hard to convince people who aren't just serious players, but serious humans, to enjoy the game and stick around for sequels.

NRS's current patch theory is basically "fuck people who actually play the game."

hecterrific
colt

Casuals do play the game. I understand here at TYM we are all about the hardcore community... but that doesn't mean the hardcore community is the only community.

 

[Btt Ownge Mble]

I think they should just patch the game so that whether you're holding down, downback, or downforward it fucking blocks everything but overheads... Seriously why did they make it so that scorpions teleport hits ducking characters that are holding downback, but it gets blocked by people holding just down?

It's fucking retarded and I have no idea how NRS coded this fucking game to make it do that. You can leave everything else about scorpion but make it so that his teleport can be blocked the way it should be able to be blocked.

 

[MorbidAltruism]

I think they should just patch the game so that whether you're holding down, downback, or downforward it fucking blocks everything but overheads... Seriously why did they make it so that scorpions teleport hits ducking characters that are holding downback, but it gets blocked by people holding just down?

It's fucking retarded and I have no idea how NRS coded this fucking game to make it do that. You can leave everything else about scorpion but make it so that his teleport can be blocked the way it should be able to be blocked.

I wish this was what they did. Just fix the blocking.

 

[Vilén]

Casuals do play the game. I understand here at TYM we are all about the hardcore community... but that doesn't mean the hardcore community is the only community.

No but they're the only section of the community who actually care about the balance of the game.

It doesn't matter to the casuals. They will ALWAYS bitch and moan. No matter what you do. It's wasted effort. Ever read/see Starship Troopers? There's always more bugs; they simply don't stop. So what's the point? They'll never be happy, and their thoughtless wishes shit on the game at a high level when they're granted. It's pathetic.

Like I said, they didn't even notice all those huge Deathstroke nerfs. Yeah, that patch was totally money well spent. And that was just the first of what I assume will be many pandering patches that go entirely unappreciated.

Casuals get their pay out on this game in the form of costumes and "fan request" DLC and shit like that. They should have absolutely zero say in game balance, especially at this point because they've demonstrated that they CLEARLY do not care about it. The issue they mean to bitch about is "I WASN'T THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD THE MINUTE I PUT IN THE GAME."

 

[Vilén]

I think they should just patch the game so that whether you're holding down, downback, or downforward it fucking blocks everything but overheads... Seriously why did they make it so that scorpions teleport hits ducking characters that are holding downback, but it gets blocked by people holding just down?

It's fucking retarded and I have no idea how NRS coded this fucking game to make it do that. You can leave everything else about scorpion but make it so that his teleport can be blocked the way it should be able to be blocked.

Yeah man, let's patch out cross-ups.

This is literally the EXACT fucking thing I'm talking about.

 

[Btt Ownge Mble]

No but they're the only section of the community who actually care about the balance of the game.

It doesn't matter to the casuals. They will ALWAYS bitch and moan. No matter what you do. It's wasted effort. Ever read/see Starship Troopers? There's always more bugs; they simply don't stop. So what's the point? They'll never be happy, and their thoughtless wishes shit on the game at a high level when they're granted. It's pathetic.

Like I said, they didn't even notice all those huge Deathstroke nerfs. Yeah, that patch was totally money well spent. And that was just the first of what I assume will be many pandering patches that go entirely unappreciated.

Casuals get their pay out on this game in the form of costumes and "fan request" DLC and shit like that. They should have absolutely zero say in game balance, especially at this point because they've demonstrated that they CLEARLY do not care about it. The issue they mean to bitch about is "I WASN'T THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD THE MINUTE I PUT IN THE GAME."

People don't like to admit they lost because they were the worse player. I'll admit I'm guilty of this alot of times too. It's easier to blame the loss on the fact that Superman or Batman is overpowered rather than I'm just not as good at the game... It's human nature.

 

[MorbidAltruism]

No but they're the only section of the community who actually care about the balance of the game.

It doesn't matter to the casuals. They will ALWAYS bitch and moan. No matter what you do. It's wasted effort. Ever read/see Starship Troopers? There's always more bugs; they simply don't stop. So what's the point? They'll never be happy, and their thoughtless wishes shit on the game at a high level when they're granted. It's pathetic.

Like I said, they didn't even notice all those huge Deathstroke nerfs. Yeah, that patch was totally money well spent. And that was just the first of what I assume will be many pandering patches that go entirely unappreciated.

Casuals get their pay out on this game in the form of costumes and "fan request" DLC and shit like that. They should have absolutely zero say in game balance, especially at this point because they've demonstrated that they CLEARLY do not care about it. The issue they mean to bitch about is "I WASN'T THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD THE MINUTE I PUT IN THE GAME."

I don't know... I don't think that is always the case. NRS also has an image to keep. They cant just ignore what the majority of the people are bitching about. I know it isn't fun... but we have to deal with it. We shouldn't bitch about it.

 

[Kevlang]

I think patches should take place early and often. However, there should be only very slight nerfs/buffs to avoid the assassination of characters like Kano, and Deathstroke.

If a move is considered to be overpowered, like Kano's up-ball or Deathstroke's low shot, try adding just a frame or two of startup/recovery and see how the gameplay evolves until the next patch.



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[MorbidAltruism]

I think patches should take place early and often. However, there should be only very slight nerfs/buffs to avoid the assassination of characters like Kano, and Deathstroke.

If a move is considered to be overpowered, like Kano's up-ball or Deathstroke's low shot, try adding just a frame or two of startup/recovery and see how the gameplay evolves until the next patch.



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I think that is expensive though. Obviously it is ideal though.

 

[Btt Ownge Mble]

Yeah man, let's patch out cross-ups.

This is literally the EXACT fucking thing I'm talking about.

Umm, you do know that NRS intended for ducking players to be able to block all attacks that aren't overheads right? Scorpion literally breaks the rules of the game. And I don't care so much, I just hold down, but it will turn off alot of new players to the game who don't understand why scorpion always hits them with teleport no matter what they do.

 

[DesuBlade]

They shouldn't be patching the game as often as they are now. It's really hard to make a Metagame or to learn Match-ups when people get nerfed/buffed to oblivion. I get that NRS wants to make the game more enjoyable for everyone, but some of this patching stuff has to tone down.

Also, all you scrubs(You know who you are. Making "I HAET SCORPION TELEPORT" threads) are the reason why we can't establish anything in Injustice. What happened to adapting instead of crying to NRS about nerfs?

 

[Vilén]

People don't like to admit they lost because they were the worse player. I'll admit I'm guilty of this alot of times too. It's easier to blame the loss on the fact that Superman or Batman is overpowered rather than I'm just not as good at the game... It's human nature.

I always knew I was justified in having spent my whole life feeling like an alien in a human suit I can't get off me then.

I don't know... I don't think that is always the case. NRS also has an image to keep. They cant just ignore what the majority of the people are bitching about. I know it isn't fun... but we have to deal with it. We shouldn't bitch about it.

Dude, casuals got MORE than enough of a pay out on this game just in the fact that it fucking exists. What else are you doing to play a fighting game with DC's biggest names and a ton of fucking ancillary costume nonsense? Nothing... well, MKvDC at best, but let's be honest... no.

And I don't know about "can't just ignore the 'tards". Crapcom completely ignores the majority of it's player base 95% of the time (fuck, sometimes I swear those bastards actually strive to do the exact opposite of what the 'majority' requests) seemingly just as part of their business model and they do just fine.

The whole point of answering the bitching is to stop the bitching, and the real point is that the bitching will never stop. So the obvious math here is to ignore the bitching, because like I said, best case scenario is that you get four days of silence before they find something new to blame for their losses.

If they're going to patch based on what people who don't know shit about dick in regards to the game are complaining about this week, then at least throwdown some decent netcode so maybe their bitching can be somewhat rooted in reality.

Maybe that's half my problem with this. Patches based on the whims of scrubs is really NRS looking everyone in the eye and saying "pft, yeah. that sure is some shpadoinkle netcode we put together right there."

 

[MorbidAltruism]

I always knew I was justified in having spent my whole life feeling like an alien in a human suit I can't get off me then.



Dude, casuals got MORE than enough of a pay out on this game just in the fact that it fucking exists. What else are you doing to play a fighting game with DC's biggest names and a ton of fucking ancillary costume nonsense? Nothing... well, MKvDC at best, but let's be honest... no.

And I don't know about "can't just ignore the 'tards". Crapcom completely ignores the majority of it's player base 95% of the time (fuck, sometimes I swear those bastards actually strive to do the exact opposite of what the 'majority' requests) seemingly just as part of their business model and they do just fine.

The whole point of answering the bitching is to stop the bitching, and the real point is that the bitching will never stop. So the obvious math here is to ignore the bitching, because like I said, best case scenario is that you get four days of silence before they find something new to blame for their losses.

If they're going to patch based on what people who don't know shit about dick in regards to the game are complaining about this week, then at least throwdown some decent netcode so maybe their bitching can be somewhat rooted in reality.

Maybe that's half my problem with this. Patches based on the whims of scrubs is really NRS looking everyone in the eye and saying "pft, yeah. that sure is some shpadoinkle netcode we put together right there."

I know where you are coming from... but there is a reason people call them Crapcom. I mean EA is doing just fine too and they are one of the most hated companies. I don't think NRS wants negative attention. Even if they would do ok with it. I am just trying to say that patching for the majority isn't necessarily a bad thing. We will get hardcore opinionated patches soon once the casuals drop off.

 

[Eddy Wang]

They shouldn't be patching the game as often as they are now. It's really hard to make a Metagame or to learn Match-ups when people get nerfed/buffed to oblivion. I get that NRS wants to make the game more enjoyable for everyone, but some of this patching stuff has to tone down.

Also, all you scrubs(You know who you are. Making "I HAET SCORPION TELEPORT" threads) are the reason why we can't establish anything in Injustice. What happened to adapting instead of crying to NRS about nerfs?

The game is constantly changing and i don't even know how to play it anymore, i'm so turned down because the game gets patched all the sudden, you start relearning, and its patched again.

As is this wan't enough, scorpion becomes the subject for 4 full days where i can't even understand what's going on besides "SCORPPION TELEPORT ITS BROKEN; I HAET SCORPIAN TELEPORT, EVO FINALS WILL BE SCORPS VS SCORPS.

its "i can't punish teleport on block" but they want NRS to make it slower (because zoners want to throw projectiles senseless, and jump in without have to worring about AA, since IGAU lacks good characters with AAs)
then its, "Fucking Vortex mixups" and lot of out scries and whatsoever.

The things that actually need to be changed in this game like, terrible walk speed, lack of good anti-airs tools to fight equal with the jump priority, retared interactables, are in the game and are not getting patched.

The more i play this game, the more i see its not for me, when you have a rushdown character fighting a zoning character who can fight right next to a interactable, frame trap on your dash, then screw you over and over with a interactable everytime he seems fit, or having batman with that trait, jumping like a kung lao player chasing for crossups.

I KNOW some zoners just want to stay full screen and throw projectiles senseless, like it happens in most of cases, inside and outside TYM, and of course these players will hate someone like Scorpion to be in game, its not the first time this happens.

 

[Vilén]

I know where you are coming from... but there is a reason people call them Crapcom. I mean EA is doing just fine too and they are one of the most hated companies. I don't think NRS wants negative attention. Even if they would do ok with it.

It's business. As long as your product isn't linked to the mysterious deaths of white suburban children you couldn't find negative attention with both hands, a flashlight and a map to Fuckyourselfland. It's all just "attention". And I don't think Crapcom cares that anyone calls them Crapcom, because it isn't like their games are selling like shit.

My gaming buddies and I already have a running joke that NRS stands for "Not Really Smart", and there's a huge reason for that too.

I am just trying to say that patching for the majority isn't necessarily a bad thing.

It is when the majority is empirically stupid.

We will get hardcore opinionated patches soon once the casuals drop off.

Probably not actually. Patches cost money and that will run out soon. We'll probably end up with the same situation as MK9. NRS blowing it's load way too early patching shit that by no means needed it, the casuals abandoning the game NRS frantically balanced to their exact specifications, and the people who actually play the game getting stuck with a glaringly sub-par title for two years plus.

 

[MorbidAltruism]

It's business. As long as your product isn't linked to the mysterious deaths of white suburban children you couldn't find negative attention with both hands, a flashlight and a map to Fuckyourselfland. It's all just "attention". And I don't think Crapcom cares that anyone calls them Crapcom, because it isn't like their games are selling like shit.

My gaming buddies and I already have a running joke that NRS stands for "Not Really Smart", and there's a huge reason for that too.



It is when the majority is empirically stupid.



Probably not actually. Patches cost money and that will run out soon. We'll probably end up with the same situation as MK9. NRS blowing it's load way too early patching shit that by no means needed it, the casuals abandoning the game NRS frantically balanced to their exact specifications, and the people who actually play the game getting stuck with a glaringly sub-par title for two years plus.

LMFAO. I will now always remember NRS as the ones who blew their load too early. I agree with you for the most part. I am just trying to think of things from NRS perspective. Trust me... it is hard. I have no idea why they are making so many... unfavorable decisions.

 

[greeneless]

The number of patches i personally dont think is an issue, its what they patch. They keep catering to scrubs and then we get shit like mk9, theyre tryna get scorpion nerfed now because they blow.

The number of patches IS an ISSUE. No one wants to learn a character match up for 1.02 just to have to work on it for hours to get it right again in 1.03... and that could all be irrelevant again in version one-point-whatever-the-fuck.

That being said NRS seems to not know what amount of a nerf or buff will constitute a significant change in gameplay. That is fine and understandable, considering they are casual gamers at best. They should realize this, and not make impulsive changes without input from people who do know how to play the game.

There is another solution, though. There would be very little bitching from IGAU players if patches came some months apart. This includes the loud minority of nerf demanders and buff requesters. When you do not respond to ignorant complaints, then the people filing those complaints will eventually learn to shut up. By giving them a little bit of what they want, then... endless whining ensues, and the players who have spent the most time practicing the game in its previous state are punished for it.

Just let me know when you're done patching the game NRS, after your 8th DLC character and 400th character skin I guess. I'll learn the game then.

$$$$$$

 

[Eddy Wang]

I'm actually wondering who is pleased by all the recent NRS decisions, because i'm certainly not.

 

[Vilén]

LMFAO. I will now always remember NRS as the ones who blew their load too early.

See. Bet they wish they were just called Crapcom now.

 

[Kevlang]

How much more expensive can it be compared to their current policy of patching at every DLC release?

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[MorbidAltruism]

How much more expensive can it be compared to their current policy of patching at every DLC release?

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More patches=More money spent.