Question What makes MK9 stand out?

[Pig Of The Hut]

That doesn't matter. Who says you can't play multiple games, including the one you like the most? It doesn't matter if they signed up for every game at EVO. They showed up and supported their non-EVO circuit game as well. There's no reason people couldn't run more than one NRS game at a major. Instead of all these talking heads going on about the ye old days of yore about MK9, why not run it side by side everything else from within the community?

Also, relevant: https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=Tj0IeXaGf5s

That's from NCR 2016.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=eZbbAt8Cqhk

Super Turbo 2 Grand Finals 2016 at Combo Breaker

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=5-ltvXEYsKM

That's from EVO 2016

Well if I went to evo and played in a mk9 side tourney and someone used that footage as evidence then I would look twice at that

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

As a top player in both games, i enjoy MK9 more, but this idea that the top tiers were balanced is total trash. People complain about alien being braindead and making you guess but forget that cyrax touches you once and KILLS you.

Also, spoiler alert, Kabal was absolute horseshit and was not this character that only reo could win with. I have a fairly good record against kabal in tournament, so this is not salt speaking. That character was beyond broken and people pretending that it was just REO makes me sick.

 

[REO]

Pretty sure when people say other Kabal's weren't on my level, they meant just that. Other Kabal players had 1/5th of the total results I had with Kabal. Most of them either switched off Kabal for certain MUs to use other characters during the tournament, or used Kabal specifically as a counter pick for some MUs or players. Many of the Kabal specialists in MK9 either won one or two majors max during the game's prime, and lost about 95% of the tournaments they entered. Many high level or talented players doing well with a top tier character in tournament seems normal to me.

Yeah, Kabal was broken. So are the top tiers in every single NRS fighting game. Welcome to competitive fighting game basics 101.

I bet if someone says "Carl's Kung Lao was on another level in MK9" someone will come in and say KL was broken and top tier while completely missing the point.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Pretty sure when people say other Kabal's weren't on my level, they meant just that. Other Kabal players had 1/5th of the total results I had with Kabal. Most of them either switched off Kabal for certain MUs to use other characters during the tournament, or used Kabal specifically as a counter pick for some MUs or players. Many of the Kabal specialists in MK9 either won one or two majors max during the game's prime, and lost about 95% of the tournaments they entered. Many high level or talented players doing well with a top tier character in tournament seems normal to me.

Yeah, Kabal was broken. So are the top tiers in every single NRS fighting game. Welcome to competitive fighting game basics 101.

I bet if someone says "Carl's Kung Lao was on another level in MK9" someone will come in and say KL was broken and top tier while completely missing the point.

You were the toughest Kabal I've played. Yes, I've played curbo, PL, cdjr, etc. All of them were good, very good. You were just the toughest to beat.

So yea. Your Kabal was on a league of its own.

 

[RM slacked]

Sub Zero was actually fun to play even though he was garbage

 

[Colest]

Go on...

Anyone who followed MK9 pro scene knows that's BS. Scorpion's entire gameplan was based around the vortex Slips found. Cyrax's pre-nerf gameplan involved a restand vortex. Baraka had one in the corner. Some people around here have been having a bit of selective memory in favor of MK9 recently.

 

[REO]

About the No Vortexes didn't Baraka have one in the corner as long as he had meter?

Cyrax, Quan Chi, Scorpion, and Freddy Krueger all had vortexes in MK9.

Cyrax, Quan Chi, and Scorpion could do it meterlessly. But these two characters options involving the vortex were full combo punishable on block, except for Cyrax options which were neutral / plus jabs or staggers into net confirms and his command grab that gave a safe jump on hit that started the whole thing up again.

Freddy had a looping vortex ONLY if he had meter which cost one bar of meter for each repetition loop.

Every other character in the game either had restands with no good 50/50s that restarted the vortex, or a restand that wasn't advantageous enough to guarantee both 50/50 options.

 

[coolwhip]

Pretty sure when people say other Kabal's weren't on my level, they meant just that. Other Kabal players had 1/5th of the total results I had with Kabal. Most of them either switched off Kabal for certain MUs to use other characters during the tournament, or used Kabal specifically as a counter pick for some MUs or players. Many of the Kabal specialists in MK9 either won one or two majors max during the game's prime, and lost about 95% of the tournaments they entered. Many high level or talented players doing well with a top tier character in tournament seems normal to me.

Yeah, Kabal was broken. So are the top tiers in every single NRS fighting game. Welcome to competitive fighting game basics 101.

I bet if someone says "Carl's Kung Lao was on another level in MK9" someone will come in and say KL was broken and top tier while completely missing the point.

Kung Lao had losing and even match-ups though, so I don't see the comparison. I understand what you're saying about your Kabal being on a higher level and it was, but I think you're the one missing the point since it's not your resume that's the point of contention here. But rather, how fucked up beyond belief that character was. And that is, more fucked up than any top tier character in Injustice or MKX since it's generally agreed by pretty much everyone, yourself included, that his worst match-up is a 6-4 IN HIS FAVOR!

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

Pretty sure when people say other Kabal's weren't on my level, they meant just that. Other Kabal players had 1/5th of the total results I had with Kabal. Most of them either switched off Kabal for certain MUs to use other characters during the tournament, or used Kabal specifically as a counter pick for some MUs or players. Many of the Kabal specialists in MK9 either won one or two majors max during the game's prime, and lost about 95% of the tournaments they entered. Many high level or talented players doing well with a top tier character in tournament seems normal to me.

Yeah, Kabal was broken. So are the top tiers in every single NRS fighting game. Welcome to competitive fighting game basics 101.

I bet if someone says "Carl's Kung Lao was on another level in MK9" someone will come in and say KL was broken and top tier while completely missing the point.

That's not what people are saying. They're saying that it was all you and not kabal, implying that kabal was fine. And I know that there is no chance kabal was fine lol. Mileena, a character that you say is top, has only had two people place with her and yet somehow your logic doesn't apply to her. Kabal always reared his head (three in evo 2013 top 8), so no, you were not the only person getting results with him. He was always around.

 

[THTB]

WIth all due respect. I find it hard to believe the similarity in those two. I mean in placing wise - maybe yeah but I believe thats because people didnt know how to deal with Kabals pressure. But in the case of Alien its not the matter of matchup knowledge, its the absurd of the tools he were given. You could punish Kabal with almost entire cast. You could poke in in between that pressure. The only semi-safe moves were OH with knockdown and ground saws. While in Alien example or Kano CT there isnt much You can do about it, even if You guess right. You know what am sayin ? In terms of tournament placing ....yeah we could say that here and there two or three players were solid major placing with both characters but thats it. Thats the only common aspect they share. I dont know...maybe there are things I do not see, so forgive me if I am blind.

Yeah, it's really different for both characters. I was strictly speaking results, but comparison-wise, that's very true.

 

[REO]

Kung Lao had losing and even match-ups though, so I don't see the comparison. I understand what you're saying about your Kabal being on a higher level and it was, but I think you're the one missing the point since it's not your resume that's the point of contention here. But rather, how fucked up beyond belief that character was. And that is, more fucked up than any top tier character in Injustice or MKX since it's generally agreed by pretty much everyone, yourself included, that his worst match-up is a 6-4 IN HIS FAVOR!

Obviously the MK9 top tiers are more broken in their game than the Injustice and MKX top tier counterparts. Injustice and MKX have received more balance patches and hotfixes than MK9 ever did. What do you expect?

That's not what people are saying. They're saying that it was all you and not kabal, implying that kabal was fine. And I know that there is no chance kabal was fine lol. Mileena, a character that you say is top, has only had two people place with her and yet somehow your logic doesn't apply to her. Kabal always reared his head (three in evo 2013 top 8), so no, you were not the only person getting results with him. He was always around.

Your trolling literally has no daze on me. If you're gonna attempt to troll, at least be original about it or respond with factual information on the actual things that I've said.

1.) I stated players say my Kabal was on another level because it was. If you don't believe me, go look at every Kabal player's tournament results individually.
2.) I said Kabal was broken.
3.) Tournament placings aren't the only thing that determines if a character is top tier or not. My post was specifically aimed towards giving input on players stating "REO's Kabal was on another level". That's it. Nothing more.
4.) I never said I was the only Kabal player getting any results. I said my results were better by far compared to any one specific Kabal player.

Try to actually read my post next time.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

Obviously the MK9 top tiers are more broken in their game than the Injustice and MKX top tier counterparts. Injustice and MKX have received more balance patches and hotfixes than MK9 ever did. What do you expect?



Your trolling literally has no daze on me. If you're gonna attempt to troll, at least be original about it or respond with factual information on the actual things that I've said.

1.) I stated players say my Kabal was on another level because it was. If you don't believe me, go look at every Kabal player's tournament results individually.
2.) I said Kabal was broken.
3.) Tournament placings aren't the only thing that determines if a character is top tier or not. My post was specifically aimed towards giving input on players stating "REO's Kabal was on another level". That's it. Nothing more.
4.) I never said I was the only Kabal player getting any results. I said my results were better by far compared to any one specific Kabal player.

Try to actually read my post next time.

I read your post and i read other people's posts. They weren't talking about results for the most part and the implication was that you made the character look broken. All i'm saying is that many people had success with him. Simple.

 

[REO]

I read your post and i read other people's posts. They weren't talking about results for the most part and the implication was that you made the character look broken. All i'm saying is that many people had success with him. Simple.

So you agree with my post then? What you've just said was mentioned in my first post.

 

[Biggs]

You were the toughest Kabal I've played. Yes, I've played curbo, PL, cdjr, etc. All of them were good, very good. You were just the toughest to beat.

So yea. You're Kabal was on a league of its own.

Detroit tho???

 

[THTB]

As a top player in both games, i enjoy MK9 more, but this idea that the top tiers were balanced is total trash. People complain about alien being braindead and making you guess but forget that cyrax touches you once and KILLS you.

Also, spoiler alert, Kabal was absolute horseshit and was not this character that only reo could win with. I have a fairly good record against kabal in tournament, so this is not salt speaking. That character was beyond broken and people pretending that it was just REO makes me sick.

I don't remember all the posts in this thread, but I don't recall anyone saying that about Kabal, though.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Detroit tho???

He was really good. I said that lol. I didn't play him offline tho but I played him enough online to know he was good. I actually have him second behind reo

 

[Biggs]

You were the toughest Kabal I've played. Yes, I've played curbo, PL, cdjr, etc. All of them were good, very good. You were just the toughest to beat.

If by etc. u meant Detroit too lmao. PL and Jr Kabals were no where near as good as Reo and Detroit. At least Curbo was good with Kabal...

 

[M2Dave]

Anyone who followed MK9 pro scene knows that's BS. Scorpion's entire gameplan was based around the vortex Slips found. Cyrax's pre-nerf gameplan involved a restand vortex. Baraka had one in the corner. Some people around here have been having a bit of selective memory in favor of MK9 recently.

Scorpion's vortex, if even deserving of the name, is awfully unsafe on block in Mortal Kombat 9 because the Scorpion player has to commit to spear or EX teleport, both of which are highly punishable on block. Against top tier characters, the risk versus reward ratio is never in Scorpion's favor. For this reason, Scorpion is a low mid tier character. Just ask @Slips.

Pre-patch Cyrax did not have a vortex. What he did have was a command throw whose escape window was only two frames. The command throw resulted in a guaranteed bomb set up. This sequence was considered a semi-infinite combo by many players at that time because you could loop the set up until the command throw was miraculously escaped. Of course, the command throw was eventually made a lot easier to escape and the hit advantage was massively normalized. However, the broken combos remained.

I will be honest. There was once a time that I played Mortal Kombat 9 for a living, yet I am neither sure what Baraka's vortex was nor why it is relevant. The character has never been anything higher than low tier. Therefore, the vortex, whatever it is, is not part of Mortal Kombat 9's meta game.

The next time you want to sound smart and call out players who played the game religiously, at least support your argument with relevant examples. Because Mortal Kombat 9 has very, very few overhead attacks that you are unable to block on reaction, the game's dominant vortex, for the lack of a better word, involves moves that re-stand like Cage's nut punch and Kabal's f+4. These re-stand moves can be used at the end of juggles in order to guarantee pressure or throws. Both Cage and Kabal are top tier characters and the nut punch and f+4, respectively, are instrumental to their game plan. Baraka's and Scorpion's vortexes are not.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

Obviously the MK9 top tiers are more broken in their game than the Injustice and MKX top tier counterparts. Injustice and MKX have received more balance patches and hotfixes than MK9 ever did. What do you expect?



Your trolling literally has no daze on me. If you're gonna attempt to troll, at least be original about it or respond with factual information on the actual things that I've said.

1.) I stated players say my Kabal was on another level because it was. If you don't believe me, go look at every Kabal player's tournament results individually.
2.) I said Kabal was broken.
3.) Tournament placings aren't the only thing that determines if a character is top tier or not. My post was specifically aimed towards giving input on players stating "REO's Kabal was on another level". That's it. Nothing more.
4.) I never said I was the only Kabal player getting any results. I said my results were better by far compared to any one specific Kabal player.

Try to actually read my post next time.

I also agree that results don't always shape the tier list, but i find it funny that your mkxl tier list is literally just cut and pasted top 8 results lol.

I don't remember all the posts in this thread, but I don't recall anyone saying that about Kabal, though.

from khaotik (too lazy to tag) "You couldn't do that in MK9. Yea Kabal was fucking stupid but you couldn't just pick him up and be carried. You actually had to think."
The implication is that anyone can pick up alien and win (only one main in top 8, plus sonic for one match). We saw multiple people pick up kabal and do well. At best it's the same and at worse mk9 was clearly more messed up. Execution or not, a broken character is a broken character.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

My point in this thread is that these MK9 ogs are wrong. They thrash mkx for being terrible while mk9 was deeply flawed and imbalanced. People picked up top tiers and delivered in MK9, even more so than MKX.

 

[Biggs]

I will be honest. There was once a time that I played Mortal Kombat 9 for a living, yet I am neither sure what Baraka's vortex was nor why it is relevant. The character has never been anything higher than low tier. Therefore, the vortex, whatever it is, is not part of Mortal Kombat 9's meta game.

Implying this horribly under explored character was bad or "low tier" is funny

 

[xKhaoTik]

If by etc. u meant Detroit too lmao. PL and Jr Kabals were no where near as good as Reo and Detroit. At least Curbo was good with Kabal...

Shade lol

 

[NSR]

Jesus, people fucking hate Kabal with a burning passion here.

 

[REO]

I also agree that results don't always shape the tier list, but i find it funny that your mkxl tier list is literally just cut and pasted top 8 results lol.

You're right. Kano, Smoke, Johnny Cage, Jacqui, and some others who I have placed in my S tier are definitely at all these off-line majors placing top eight every where. *sarcasm*

 

[aldazo]

Jesus, people fucking hate Kabal with a burning passion here.

And he wasn't even braindead 2 moves back dash (repeat) mode as Kenshi!