actually, historically marriage was a mans way of saying he owned a female, through out the years it has changed to what it is today and slowly its changing to allow any human that wants to marry another human the choice to do so..
im sick of people calling the health plan "obamacare" ~ this is actually needed for this country. so if a 23 year old boy chooses not to have health care, and when he gets into a motorcycle accident and is now in a coma who is to pay the bills cause he cant???????? we just suppose to say "oh well he didnt want to pay a small amount for insurance" pull the plug.
would you like me to show you my medical bills because i didnt have health care??? i went into the emergency room because i had a god awful sore throat for weeks, i just couldnt take it anymore. they sat me down took my blood... i waited a while longer got told "its not strap (sp?) throat take these pills and bye.. my bill came back to be over 1,600 for me just sitting there and getting my blood taken???? WTF THIS COUNTRY has a shitty ass health care system and im so fucking thankful our president is doing something about it..
abortion ~ im for it HOWEVER, the way its set up is wrong.. they need to have it so both parents consent to the abortion. if the father wants the child i feel he has a right to the child. i k now it kind of sucks for the female who has to carry the child but i feel its wrong that the father doesnt have a choice in the matter.. only time the father doesnt have a choice is if the female was raped.. its disgusting that the right winger want people that were raped to have the child. you know damn well if they were raped they would secretly have the child aborted..
economy ~ more people need to stop being fucking lazy. take that damn 7.50 an hour job and work your ass off. there are tons of fast food places that are hiring everywhere.. i did it when i lost my restaurant worked my way up to management and im able to afford a car, food and a roof over my head.
i am 100% pro obama, the only problem i have with him is constantly taking it up the ass from the tea party republicans.. he needs to finally man up and say ENOUGH.. get religion out of government. look at texas as an example, its ran by people who are againist "more government" they want "less government" however they cut the budget for volunteer firefighters, have a huge wild fire blazing and look they need the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to come help bail them out.. fucking joke..
obama has fucked up recently with the whole solar scandal going on now but his heart was in the right place. im 100% voting for him because you dont want any of these republicans running our country.. obama needs to say STFU and no longer compromise to the right wing assholes..
Well, dan I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on a lot of this outside of a few things which I do agree with you on. The rape thing, what's wrong with adoption? May I ask? So you're going to punish an innocent baby that had no say in the matter because of the mother being victimized? Look, I feel for the mother in those cases but it's the rapist that deserves punishment, not the mother....this also isn't a rightwing/lleftwing issue as both parties have tons of people for it and against it. Now, mostly liberals are for it, and SOME rights are for it but not all rightwingers are for it, like Paul, McCain, too moderate for my taste personally....like I was saying earlier, this is more so a moral topic then political but sadly is incorporated in politics....as a tool to fool women voters who are undecided imo from what I can tell.
I do agree with you however on BOTH parents giving their consent at least, I always hated the fact that "it's the mother's choice" and the father is like completely ignored, even though HE equally made the baby. It's like, the mother is the carrier so only her view counts, that's bs to me...more times then not you'll actually find the guy wants to keep the baby or try to raise it himself but the mother has the abortion behind his back or anyway...for her own convenience. It's weak imo, how doesn't anyone see the problem with this here? Even if you're not religious, it's still morally wrong. It's a human life, not a fucking gerbil....
I refer to it as Obamacare because it is Obamacare, it's what HE'S proposing man....not Bush, not Clinton, not anyone else. Obama....it's his plan that's supposed to "be the cure to all health insurance issues, but problem is it's quality over quantity, who the hell cares if you can get free procedure done if you have no say in the matter? And the government forcing you to choose a doctor is utterly retarded....I was born with a heart condition that I have to keep an eye on every few years, if Obamacare goes thru I may not be able to see the doctor I want to see....full of fail. I'm all for free healthcare reform but NOT Obama's idea, more then half the country is against it not to mention, appeals courts a few times have rejected the idea calling it unconstitutional with forcing people to have healthcare, and forcing people to have a doctor they do not want. It's a bad idea. Dude, I haven't had a job for 3 years...a good one, and I have health insurance, ever heard of medicare? Medicaid? Financial assistance? Apply, people need to do their homework instead of wanting the government giving everything to them "for free" Plus, side note you're a chef or something right? If your job don't offer health benefits that's bad move on your companies policy, that's lazyness....I've worked for companies that offered no benefits, when they can...they just dont' want to spend the money on their workers so they save money....an established company however that actually cares about their workers will offer them benefits at least to some degree.....better then nothing at all. I have HIP at them moment but once I get a job with benefits, I'm ridding it. But hey at least I CHOSE what I want.
The marriage bit, well early on in the stone age yeah lol but we've as people evolved quite a bit since then...and only primitive and communist like countries go by those ridiculous methods of "man owns his wife" in most countries, it's hardly the case but a legal contract between a man and woman and more so about spending your life with someone you love which is the main reason people get married..
People are lazy, true but this has nothing to do with the economy statistically being shit at the moment and jobs lacking(that's not up to people, it's up to companies and the government creating jobs...) I'm speaking from experience, been seeking a job a few years(not shitty, temp jobs which I've had) but REAL jobs....you'll always find lazy people, druggies, drinkers, killers etc, etc that will always exist, jobs being at an all time low that's Obama's fault, no matter how you want to cut it. Why do you think his approval ratings are in the toilet?
The other thing I agree with you on is separation of church and state, this needs to happen at some point...too often politicians especially the tree hugger nutjobs use topics like abortion to their advantage just to sway female voters in their favor....it's bs. F that...
As for Obama, totally against him...he seems like a tool to me and lies more then any previous president has IMO. Sure, clinton and Bush were far from perfect, but this guy has record setting lows for approval ratings in this little time, he's literally done the opposite of everything he promised from NOT pulling troops out of Afganist to NOT spending more then Bush did....yet he's spending MORE, thus putting us in more debt with trillions...Obama I hope will be a one term president. If it were up to me, I'd want Rudy in there. Being as how I live in NYC, he was factually one of the BEST mayors EVER to run this city, crime was less, taxes were less, jobs were created and he handled 9/11 like a fucking champ. And is not a pussy with terrorists like most liberals are.
No, I'll stay with Obama since he calls the shots
The guy only has record low approval ratings but yeah...
Well MKF, here's my opinion then:
Abortion should be mandatory. Not really, but I support the right to choose. I see alot of hypocrisy in those who want to force a woman to keep her baby and then force her to find a way to take car of it herself. A fetus has less sentience than most animals, the only drive to keep them alive is instinctual and opposes the need to keep populations at a decreased, steady level. If I was aborted, I wouldn't care because I wouldn't be alive.
Gay Marriage - I'm gay, so that should make my stance pretty obvious. I don't have any want to get married myself, but I don't see why others shouldn't be able to. Marriage in the US is a legal issue, not a religious one. A marriage done in the church has no legal standing without government authorization, so I never bought into the idea that it is a historical or religious thing. There have been same sex marriages in ancient history, it's just not called marriage by the english word. The only way for marriage to be historically between a man and a woman is if you define it purely by post-Constantinian European history.
Universal Healthcare - I'm all for it. Our taxes should be far higher than they currently are, and that's how universal healthcare is paid for. There should be no preference given to those who simply have more money. There's the age-old idea that your monetary success is based on how hard you work, but in the real world success and lack of success is about 50% luck. Therefore, I think someone who works their ass off all day in a manual labor job should have the same benefits as everyone else.
Economy - Raise taxes, regulate industry to the point where a high-paying job is only a semi-high-paying job and raise wages for low level workers.
Don't get me wrong about the gay thing, all I'm saying is I would have been fine with Civil Unions and have a few Gay friends who even agreed and Gay friends in general. I however have no issue with gay people(some people who are against Gay marriage tend to be uber religious or flat out hate gay people) that's not me, I'm Christian and have my beliefs but I do not hate anyone because of sexual orientation. I know friends and people in general who are into what others may call "crazy" things, I knew this girl once who told me she was into golden showers....so lol.
@Dan/Revolver...The marriage thing though, you see that's the thing. Legally it's a document on paper that confirms a couple together legally, religiously speaking it's more then that...and not just for Christians, Jews, Muslims etc, tons of other religions it's a sign of life partner, between man and women and some are even arranged depending on religion. This is answering both you and Dancock btw. The problem is the whole state/church thing, which is why people want it separated....unfortunately in politics comes some religious topics.
Abortion, totally disagree...it's a cop out plain and simple more often then not and the way I see it, if you had the time to screw around, then you have the time to raise a baby. Period. People need to use their brains and think before doing something and accepting the consequences...I personally do not respect people who screw around and have 10 abortions out of personal convenience. There is something called protection and pills you know, why not use them maybe? Just a thought...or you don't even have to have sex, but god knows this day in age that would be like asking people to "stop breathing" In terms of fetus, it's a life that's merely being created and technically a life. It's just in early stages. More so though I have a bigger issue with once it actually develops and people decide at the last second, I want an abortion. The only exception to me is one and only...if the baby is going to die anyway and if it puts the mother's life at stake by not having one done. Otherwise, again though....it's called taking responsibility or adoption.
Universal Healthcare is flawed unless it actually works, raising taxes doesn't justify free health care especially when it's flawed to begin with. Like I said earlier, quality over quantity. You need a tooth pulled or toe nail removed from infection, sure it's free...but who wants that if you have to A. wait a long ass time to get it done B. are just sent to any joe blow for the sake of getting it "free" and C. again, this is bad the way Obama wants it done because it's doctors and hospitals will be losing money....why do you think half this countries pharmaceutical companies and doctors are against Obamacare? I'm all for healthcare reform but not this way...
Economy, again raising taxes will do little here...the government would have more money if the President didn't spend it on ridiculous ideals to begin with, all the liberals want to do is take from the rich and think that solves everything with taxes, while everyone else's are also being raised. Beyond flawed, they should use the money for more jobs, not a questionable healthcare system that more then half the country does not want...
