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[UPDATED w/ TOP 8!] Absolute Battle 8 Viewing Guide, Hype and Updates Thread!

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
Holy shit Whiteboi and Semij had one hack of a set. The patience and spacing both guys had was off the fucking charts. I really wished Whiteboi would've won, but kudos to Semij for making it to Top 8.
 

Shaka

Tier Whore.
one thing is for sure, we can't say that this game is random like we did with mkx and it's unreactable 50/50s.
 

Roy Arkon

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one thing is for sure, we can't say that this game is random like we did with mkx and it's unreactable 50/50s.
It wasn't random, it just was a lot stronger then. You needed to focus on reads, but in 50/50's even the attacker need to predicit which way to start the mixup. Not just the one who blocks the attacks. Also MKX had it's spacing and Zoning, it was spacing into 50/50's. It was and still far from random.
 

Shaka

Tier Whore.
It wasn't random, it just was a lot stronger then. You needed to focus on reads, but in 50/50's even the attacker need to predicit which way to start the mixup. Not just the one who blocks the attacks. Also MKX had it's spacing and Zoning, it was spacing into 50/50's. It was and still far from random.
pre-patch Summoner no?
 

LaidbackOne

Scrubby nice guy
It wasn't random, it just was a lot stronger then. You needed to focus on reads, but in 50/50's even the attacker need to predicit which way to start the mixup. Not just the one who blocks the attacks. Also MKX had it's spacing and Zoning, it was spacing into 50/50's. It was and still far from random.
Yes, you just gotta think sooo much while starting with unreactable low/overheads, lollll xDdd
 

Roy Arkon

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Yes, you just gotta think sooo much while starting with unreactable low/overheads, lollll xDdd
That's not my fault that you don't understand it. But yes you do need to think, and no, the 50/50's weren't unreactable, except a few cases and even then it was only one of the two options.

But anyway, a great set of pools for IJ2, looking forward the Top 8.
 

LaidbackOne

Scrubby nice guy
That's not my fault that you don't understand it. But yes you do need to think, and no, the 50/50's weren't unreactable, except a few cases and even then it was only one of the two options.

But anyway, a great set of pools for IJ2, looking forward the Top 8.
I'm sure you didnt play the same game as I did. Saying that MKX didnt have many unreactable 50/50's is simply not true.
I understand what you mean, its just a dumb statement. You have to think which low/overhead starter you choose to go for? Its not conditioning, its still a guess on your opponents side so IT DOESNT CHANGE ANYTHING.
 

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
That's not my fault that you don't understand it. But yes you do need to think, and no, the 50/50's weren't unreactable, except a few cases and even then it was only one of the two options.

But anyway, a great set of pools for IJ2, looking forward the Top 8.
Cassie
Sonya
Jacqui
Triborg
Sub-Zero
Kitana
Mileena
Kung Jin
Kano
Erron Black
Ermac
Kotal
D'vorah
Quan Chi
Johnny Cage (F2 and D3 was a legit 50/50)
Kung Lao (Buzzaw had low hat but his D4 and B2 were a legit) 50/50)

All had unractable 50-50's. Some better than others but most of these were also safe on block.
 

Roy Arkon

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I'm sure you didnt play the same game as I did. Saying that MKX didnt have many unreactable 50/50's is simply not true.
I understand what you mean, its just a dumb statement. You have to think which low/overhead starter you choose to go for? Its not conditioning, its still a guess on your opponents side so IT DOESNT CHANGE ANYTHING.
I did, and yes you also had to make the read on which way to to attack because if the opponent did block the right way he could've punish you. Even in 50/50's you can be very predictable as the attacker and if you were, the opponent could've figure you out and punish you. That's why both players had to make the read. And yes they were some unreactable options but not all of them, but you still couldn't have to just go ham and do random stuff, unless your opponent was a very weak player.

Cassie
Sonya
Jacqui
Triborg
Sub-Zero
Kitana
Mileena
Kung Jin
Kano
Erron Black
Ermac
Kotal
D'vorah
Quan Chi
Johnny Cage (F2 and D3 was a legit 50/50)
Kung Lao (Buzzaw had low hat but his D4 and B2 were a legit) 50/50)

All had unractable 50-50's. Some better than others but most of these were also safe on block.
Sub-Zero's B2 is 18 frames, only reason it is scary was because of the Klone, Tribrog's overhead also isn't that fast, Kotal has no mixups but only staggers as he has only B14 (Mid-Low) or B122 (Mid,OH,OH).Also did Johnny's D3 or Lao's D4 could've combo into anything?

And what are the supposed unreactable 50/50's for the rest? Are the options really that fast on startup (therefore you can't react to them) and/or safe on block (therefore you can't punish them)? And their options can lead to full combos? And is this true for both of their options or just one of them (Oh or Low)? Erron Black, Ermac, and Mileena might have been the only ones that fit to these categories. And regardless, just like I said, both players had to make the read, not just the one on defense. If you were predictable with your offense, it you would've get punished.
 
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Shaka

Tier Whore.
I did, and yes you also had to make the read on which way to to attack because if the opponent did block the right way he could've punish you. Even in 50/50's you can be very predictable as the attacker and if you were, the opponent could've figure you out and punish you. That's why both players had to make the read. And yes they were some unreactable options but not all of them, but you still couldn't have to just go ham and do random stuff, unless your opponent was a very weak player.



Sub-Zero's B2 is 18 frames, only reason it is scary was because of the Klone, Tribrog's overhead also isn't that fast, Kotal has no mixups but only staggers as he has only B14 (Mid-Low) or B122 (Mid,OH,OH).Also did Johnny's D3 or Lao's D4 could've combo into anything?

And what are the supposed unreactable 50/50's for the rest? Are the options really that fast on startup (therefore you can't react to them) and/or safe on block (therefore you can't punish them)? And their options can lead to full combos? And is this true for both of their options or just one of them (Oh or Low)? Erron Black, Ermac, and Mileena might have been the only ones that fit to these categories. And regardless, just like I said, both players had to make the read, not just the one on defense. If you were predictable with your offense, it you would've get punished.
Subz OH was unreactable due to having to guess low and oh at once, but even by itself most couldn't react to it.
 

LaidbackOne

Scrubby nice guy
I did, and yes you also had to make the
read on which way to to attack because if the opponent did block the right way he could've punish you. Even in 50/50's you can be very predictable as the attacker and if you were, the opponent could've figure you out and punish you. That's why both players had to make the read. And yes they were some unreactable options but not all of them, but you still couldn't have to just go ham and do random stuff, unless your opponent was a very weak player.



Sub-Zero's B2 is 18 frames, only reason it is scary was because of the Klone, Tribrog's overhead also isn't that fast, Kotal has no mixups but only staggers as he has only B14 (Mid-Low) or B122 (Mid,OH,OH).Also did Johnny's D3 or Lao's D4 could've combo into anything?

And what were the supposed unreactable 50/50's for the rest? Erron Black, Ermac, and Mileena might have been the only ones. And regardless, just like I said, both players had to make the read, not just the one on defense. If you were predictable with your offense, it you would've get punished.
18 frames is not the boundary for unreactable and 100% reactable, you do realise that? Would love to see you react to Sub0's starters since you gotta be a specialist on this stuff.
A read does not equal a guess, get that through your head please.
 

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
Subz OH was unreactable due to having to guess low and oh at once, but even by itself most couldn't react to it.
You can say that on pretty much every 50/50. And yes it wasn't super easy to react to, but not impossible.

18 frames is not the boundary for unreactable and 100% reactable, you do realise that? Would love to see you react to Sub0's starters since you gotta be a specialist on this stuff.
A read does not equal a guess, get that through your head please.
As I said, it isn't super easy to react to, I didn't mean to say it is super easy, it's just not impossible as you and others make it to be. And the only reason it is scary was because Sub can use the Klone at every moment in addition to either OH or Low. And yes in some cases it might be nothing a guess, but even a guess can be a read if you can predict the opponent well enough.