EVO should not be downplayed -- it's the biggest fighting game tournament in the world and deserves to be respected as such. But championing the number of events you've won (and prize money collected) when you don't have to play the guy who actually *won* EVO, and has been at almost every major event in the states keeping other top players at bay, isn't a fair comparison in the slightest.
But it was the most recent one he attended (that counts for a lot since it's a better reflection of everyone's current skill levels) and the biggest (that counts for even more, even though it's not as big as YOMI locals). Obviously the level of competition is deeper in the US, but 5 Europeans got 25th or better at EVO. Considering the percentage of Europeans that were actually there, that's pretty remarkable. So a major like the most recent one that Madzin one counts for a lot.
Second argument has nothing to do with the first. Obviously not having to play Fox always makes it easier than having to play Fox. My point was about EVO and EVO only. Has nothing to do with Foxy championing his winnings.
And he still didn't win, becuase he had to play Fox. So even if you're only counting the most recent tournament, there's no way to get around the fact that having to play Fox at every big event here is a significant obstacle to both winning events and collecting the biggest prize pot split for the other North American top players and teams.
Because that would lead to less arguing and would make this thread boring.
Besides placing second at evo and winning euro esl what has foxy won? No doubt hes a great player, I'm not downplaying his skills at all. But DJT won CEO and X Battles which was super stacked, placed second at ECT and EGL in dallas. Overall he has more actually wins and more top places then foxy, which may very well have to do with participating in more touraments then foxy, but it has to count for something. DJT has also beat sonicfox in tournament, something Foxy has failed to do.
It's hard to not downplay Evo when even Zyphox can make top 8 in it.
So the knock on the guy is...he "only" got second at EVO and didn't beat Sonic Fox? But ignoring that he mopped up every other player he played, including Denzell and HoneyBee (two insanely good players who belong on the list?).
But nobody is comparing his UK/Europe wins with US majors. Otherwise Foxy would be nr1 if it weren't for evo. The thing is foxy is without a doubt nr1 in his region and its not even close. You could take away 70% of foxy's wins and he would still be nr1 in his region hands down. This + proving himself at evo makes him top 3 at worst. You could also make the argument that sonic fox isn't familiar with most of Uk's players and could get upset by some players there. I know this is unlikely, but foxy is the most proven player in terms of international competition, which imo is also something to consider.
That's not a knock. Foxy's a great player, and that's a great accomplishment.
Where the fuck did I argue that? Please show me. I explicitly said "OBVIOUSLY not having to play Sonic Fox is a lot easier than having to play Sonic Fox." That's literally quite the opposite of what you're claiming I'm arguing.
That's all I've said in every post, and you've argued with all of them. My entire point was that saying "let's compare the number of events I/we've won and prize money I/we've won to everyone else" isn't a reliable comparison when you don't have to play the undisputed best player in the world, along with 2-3 other absolute Top 3-4 players in the world, to win each big-money major.
The thing is foxy will never be able to attend that many us majors. Prob 3 US majors a year at most. He is dominant in his region and has proven himself at evo and has beaten honeybee and djt on his way to second place, so his path to grand finals was definitely not easy. Evo SHOULD be that important because it is the main way for players outside the US to prove themselves. If anything MKX has made it possible for international players to travel to Evo, so Evo should now be more important than it was in mk9 and injustice.
That's fine -- and It should still be commendable. As I said, it's a huge accomplishment, and something most people will never be able to do. It's something to be very proud of.
Then you'd have to make the argument that it's just as likely DJT might beat Foxy in a runback (or Honeybee, etc), should they face in tourney again. So for each player involved, if you make the argument that they're equally likely to beat each other, the chances of any particular player winning (and collecting the top prize) still goes down by the number of those absolute top players in attendance.
Zyphox didn't make top 8 at evo. Zyphor did. Stop riding the fact that you both look exactly the sameand play the same characters are are both Yomi.
Like I said before, I or others shouldn't be comparing uk majors to us majors. It's his uk wins + beating djt and honeybee at evo for 2nd place that is making him the 2nd best player. The money thing shouldn't be that relevant for ranking a player, I agree.
You seen Better Caul Saul yet?
