[Updated: Application & Further Detail] Killer Instinct - Microsoft Officially Renews Trademark

[GreatKungLao]

Here is some recent interview with Rare's representative http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/08/21/donnchadh-murphy-chats-about-rare/

And it has some not so nice things to read:

"Are there any Rare games you would like to see as HD remakes on Xbox Live Arcade?

Probably the same game every Rare fan wants to see and that’s KI3 (Killer Instinct 3). We all wanted to make KI3, but Microsoft [was] more interested in broadening their demographic than making another fighting game. So it never got made, I doubt it ever will."

 

[Tim Static]

Here is some recent interview with Rare's representative http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/08/21/donnchadh-murphy-chats-about-rare/

And it has some not so nice things to read:

"Are there any Rare games you would like to see as HD remakes on Xbox Live Arcade?

Probably the same game every Rare fan wants to see and that’s KI3 (Killer Instinct 3). We all wanted to make KI3, but Microsoft [was] more interested in broadening their demographic than making another fighting game. So it never got made, I doubt it ever will."

I dont even want KI3 as bad as I want KI/KI2 on XBLA

 

[REYTHEGREAT]

Killer Instinct was one of those epic games from the 90s. They must come out with another one. I just want fulgore

 

[thrillainmd]

GIFSoup

 

[KH_Captain]

I'm already ready for some fulgore eye lazers and some glacius puddle uppercuts and some orchid panther attacks.

 

[REDRUM]

That's my boy!

Hes a cheap fukc lol

 

[REDRUM]

Where's Crazy Dominican? All of XBL is in trouble if this comes out... LOL

this

 

[MKF30]

Good news for KI fans I guess but don't understand the NRS bashing? With respect, I doubt KI 3 will be as good as MK9 or SF 4, just saying. Both of those franchises proved they could resurrect their games from over 10 years ago, could M$ do that with KI too? Yet to be seen.

If I'm Rare and M$ I'd just re-release the classic two games, play it safe. I loved the music in KI, I'll say that much. I guess nobody wants or cares for KIG huh? lol

lol I'm glad someone else finally said it

Well, KI was no doubt inspired and took cues from both MK and SF. I remember after MK came out, there were TONS of MK "bite offs" with finishing moves being Fatalities more or less...KI was no different, with blood, cheesy fatality like bite offs lol. Obviously, nobody does it better then MK with darkness, blood etc but I was rather surprised when I looked it up how many games took that idea from MK from Tattoo Assassins to KI to Clay Fighter, quite a few lol. It's like they figured, well MK stood out with that so we must do it. Even SC is using the same idea now, I remember in an old interview when SC4 came out the creator even admitted he got the "Critical Finish" idea from MK's fatalities and SF's super moves.

 

[superbn0va]

cant wait for new updates. always enjoyed killa instinct.

 

[9.95]

Killer Instinct is insanely fun... it's one of my favorite fighting games...it is also super broken...

HOWEVER... at its highest levels, the game breaks down.

The tier list, which of course is debatable, is similar to this:

Banned
Eyedol

Broken
Cinder

S/S+
No character fits here, that is how dominant Cinder is

A
Orchid
Riptor

B
No character fits here, that is how dominant A is over C

C
Glacius
Sabrewulf
Combo
Spinal

D
Jago
Fulgore

F
Chief Thunder


The game ultimately breaks down to Cinder vs. Cinder in just about every final. I will say that I've seen that the main reason for Fulgore's existence is that he can nullify many of Cinder's air attacks when used properly, but other than that, in the hands of equally skilled players, Fulgore doesn't really compete with many on the list other than Jago and Cinder.

 

[bettyswallaux]

my life is now complete.

 

[Vagrant]

If they do it..

I will cum...

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Killer Instinct is insanely fun... it's one of my favorite fighting games...it is also super broken...

HOWEVER... at its highest levels, the game breaks down.

The tier list, which of course is debatable, is similar to this:

Banned
Eyedol

Broken
Cinder

S/S+
No character fits here, that is how dominant Cinder is

A
Orchid
Riptor

B
No character fits here, that is how dominant A is over C

C
Glacius
Sabrewulf
Combo
Spinal

D
Jago
Fulgore

F
Chief Thunder


The game ultimately breaks down to Cinder vs. Cinder in just about every final. I will say that I've seen that the main reason for Fulgore's existence is that he can nullify many of Cinder's air attacks when used properly, but other than that, in the hands of equally skilled players, Fulgore doesn't really compete with many on the list other than Jago and Cinder.

I have no reason to doubt this...but I want to...but I can't...so I wont...and i'll play the next one when it comes out.

 

[9.95]

I have no reason to doubt this...but I want to...but I can't...so I wont...and i'll play the next one when it comes out.

I wish it weren't true.. but KI really is that unbalanced. That's ultimately why it's not considered a good fighting game. It's so much fun to play, but realistically speaking, it's super broken and super unbalanced.

Here is a breakdown of some of characters and some key things they add to the game:

Eyedol is a boss character and is banned due to super strength and an infinite.

Cinder has some really stupid glitches. He is the only character that can become immune to projectiles with invisibility. He has a timed infinite that's easier to do on scaling stages. He is the only character in the game that can be controlled to glide forward or backward on a neutral jump. His air torpedo can hit as a crossover, unblockable by some characters and its direction can be changed mid flight. His flip kick is the best anti-air in the game and the light version recovers faster than almost any move in the game. The flip kick is also totally immune to projectiles. He has more combo reset options(any combo can lead into low/overhead/crossover resets that can be manually reset) than anyone in the game. He has better unbreakable combos(some with dizzy and re-dizzy abilities) than anyone in the game. The only character better than him is Eyedol.

Orchid is far and away the best character in the game if Cinder didn't exist. She is far superior to Riptor(though a good Riptor can compete, but it's like 7-3 Orchid.).

Riptor is arguably in the A tier. Some consider him B tier, but he's so far superior to that tier when used proficiently that you can't really put him in that tier. He can compete with Orchid, and give Cinder some problems if Cinder isn't invisible...but only if he catches Cinder and Orchid in his low flame trap which is inescapable.

Glacius, Sabrewulf, TJ Combo, and Spinal all compete with each other fairly well.

Jago can compete with the B tier and beats Fulgore and Thunder handily.

Fulgore exists only to beat Cinder. His crouching fierce is one of the only moves in the game that can counter Cinder's air torpedo.

Thunder is just terrible. Never ever use him...ever.

 

[GLoRToR]

So will it come out on ps3?

 

[9.95]

So will it come out on ps3?

Highly unlikely since Microsoft owns the Trademark.

 

[GLoRToR]

Highly unlikely since Microsoft owns the Trademark.

Not like any of these games are worth playing unless 1. You want to mirror the broken'est character or 2. grind against the ai

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Thunder is just terrible. Never ever use him...ever.

Damnit!

 

[9.95]

Not like any of these games are worth playing unless 1. You want to mirror the broken'est character or 2. grind against the ai

To be perfectly honest, there has been talk of banning Cinder in tournaments in the past. The only reasons we haven't banned him are:

1. Crazy Dominican has consistently defeated, in tournament, skilled Cinder users with Fulgore.

2. There are only a handful of people who play KI competitively anymore, so there's not much of a point.


I will also say, Killer Instinct has a ton to offer. The game is incredibly fun to play against others. The only time it's not fun is when you're playing a Cinder player who thinks it's the grand finals of EVO. Then it's like the days of the MKDC Superman infinite.

 

[superbn0va]

KI is unbalanced, but isnt there a way to patch the HD version a bit? i guess they can change some properties of Cinder or buff some others... this should be possible right?

 

[9.95]

KI is unbalanced, but isnt there a way to patch the HD version a bit? i guess they can change some properties of Cinder or buff some others... this should be possible right?

Possible, yes.

Probable, no.

Cost effective, HELL NO.

This is a very old game... 18 years to be exact. The same age as SSF2T, and when that was remade with "fixes" the ST community hated it. Not that KI doesn't need some work, mind you.

Keep in mind that with every "fix" they'd have to fully re-test the game. That requires man-hours which have to be paid. So instead of just putting an HD coat of paint on an old game... they'd have to pay people to test each and every revision they make to see if each change didn't break something else even further. It's not a good business plan. People want KI... so they spice it up with some crisp HD and give it to us...we eat it up, they profit. If they re-make the game and it doesn't go over well, then it's a losing proposition for them monetarily...bad business. It's just not realistic.

 

[Sasuga]

My guess is that if they port KI as-is, it won't even run properly. There are so many glitches that if you translate it to another platform, it might not even run at all. I don't know if hacked x-boxes can run it with an emulator? Can mame even do it properly on pc?

 

[9.95]

My guess is that if they port KI as-is, it won't even run properly. There are so many glitches that if you translate it to another platform, it might not even run at all. I don't know if hacked x-boxes can run it with an emulator? Can mame even do it properly on pc?

I'm sure it will have to be optimized, but it does run properly when emulated in Mame, KI64, KIame, and U64 on just about any P4 or better. The original Xbox can emulate both KI and KI2 with a small amount of slowdown, and the OG Xbox was a P3 level processor.

 

[MKF30]

I'm sure it will have to be optimized, but it does run properly when emulated in Mame, KI64, KIame, and U64 on just about any P4 or better. The original Xbox can emulate both KI and KI2 with a small amount of slowdown, and the OG Xbox was a P3 level processor.

Hey dude, what's up? Question, I still have the original KI on SNES didn't Rare and Nintendo have a deal since they worked on a few titles together, could there be a way Wii U gets KI again you think besides M$? Just curious, I'm not familiar with the rights with that, but that's one reason why I heard they didn't port the original Goldeneye to Xbox and had to "remake" it, because of license issues with Nintendo.

 

[9.95]

Hey dude, what's up? Question, I still have the original KI on SNES didn't Rare and Nintendo have a deal since they worked on a few titles together, could there be a way Wii U gets KI again you think besides M$? Just curious, I'm not familiar with the rights with that, but that's one reason why I heard they didn't port the original Goldeneye to Xbox and had to "remake" it, because of license issues with Nintendo.

It's because Rare was not owned by Nintendo. Rare is now owned by Microsoft so unless the games were originally released or published by Nintendo(KI, KI2, and KI Gold), then we'll likely never see any kind of re-make on a Nintendo system. Nintendo retains the right to re-publish its former games via virtual console, so KI and KI Gold are fair game for the WiiU, but you'll never see KI(Arcade) or KI2 on the WiiU.