Universal change for the down poke system

[MagicMan357]

Since we are usually discussing changes for an upcoming patch, ive been thinking about the complaints and have come to realize that people are actually correct. Even though there is a legit way to counter lets say d1 "spam", the very nature of it is nonsense. Heres my thoughts:

-On block: The game currently allows 3 down pokes in succession on block. Make the push back allow only 2 so it becomes a real consequence to poke after each other if somebody out spaces you, no more spam.

- D1: this takes the least resources and should give us the least reward. I think that this move is actually what should push people back like d4's usually do and then there will be no spam and it will just even out the neutral game. On block make them -5 (Period).

-D3: this should grant 100% jailing of high attack on the same on block (meaning the defender can get a high attack off if spaced correctly). Simple and plain it takes the medium risk to though out (once again i know different characters have different frames just bare with me).

-D4: Again its simple, this takes the most risk which should grant the most reward. Grant us 100% jailing of highs and mids (on block too, if you get my drift) with no pushback on hit.

-D2: This has always been super negative and i dont get why this game makes super negative stuff with crazy pushback? Give theses moves a vacuum for easy punishing.

What do you guys think about this?

 

[Agilaz]

Make d1 more negative or give it more pushback, nerf the shit out of jump kicks and for the love of god fix the bs that allows people to throw me out of crouch normals

 

[stokedAF]

I like the pushback on d4 hit. I play shao
Kahn though and I don’t want people on me like that. That’s my fuck off staple lol.

 

[GLoRToR]

The actual easiest solution is to make them more negative on block. Make it feel negative. Even online. People will stop machinegunning.

 

[NothingPersonal]

Can anyone tell me whatțs the deal with jump kicks? I personally donțt have a problem with them.

 

[spidey300]

Make d1 more negative or give it more pushback, nerf the shit out of jump kicks and for the love of god fix the bs that allows people to throw me out of crouch normals

hold on. what's wrong with jump kicks

 

[SOULWARRIOR 71K]

Making pokes more negative when things like Liu Kang f4/43 and Jacqui’s meterless cancel stagger pressure exist? No thanks. No push back on d4? As a Shao Kahn main, again no thanks.

 

[MagicMan357]

Making pokes more negative when things like Liu Kang f4/43 and Jacqui’s meterless cancel stagger pressure exist? No thanks. No push back on d4? As a Shao Kahn main, again no thanks.

Why cant d1 be the pushback button? i dont get it

 

[NothingPersonal]

Why cant d1 be the pushback button? i dont get it

Because d4 is. D1 should be the fast poke that interrupts the opponentțs offence and give you the turn to hit.

 

[MagicMan357]

Because d4 is. D1 should be the fast poke that interrupts the opponentțs offence and give you the turn to hit.

Did you guys even read my post?

 

[OutworldKeith]

You ain’t never lied about the low poke system. You can get hit by a d1 and mash d1/d2 if the character doesn’t have a fast mid lmao.

 

[NothingPersonal]

Did you guys even read my post?

Yes.

 

[SaSSolino]

Make d1 more negative or give it more pushback, nerf the shit out of jump kicks and for the love of god fix the bs that allows people to throw me out of crouch normals

I so hope NRS hires you.

 

[Marinjuana]

Wait so you want D3/D4s to be unsafe?

Also I see a lot of complaints about throws grabbing out of crouch normals but if you give crouching normals more throw avoidance then you are just going to make the meta more poke happy.

 

[Boss Savage]

Just remove all down inputs. Now everybody's balanced. Where's my $20 Ed boon?

 

[Trini_Bwoi]

They just need to go though and set some frame data that makes sense and doesn't look like they were rolling dice to come up with values. Geras D1 will have rolls die 6 FRAME STARTUP and rolls another die 3 FRAME RECOVERY.

 

[CriticalDrop]

I think D1's must be more negative on block (between -5 ,-6), and, in some cases, more positive on hit, but its current pushback is ok.
Ah, of course nobody should have a 6 frame d1 with only -4 on block. I'm looking at you Geras.

 

[SeymorSlash216]

The actual easiest solution is to make them more negative on block. Make it feel negative. Even online. People will stop machinegunning.

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[Eddy Wang]

My take on it would be:
1: every move on hit or block stops the game for 3f this includes pokes so we get to feel the stuns. right now there are pokes that have almost no stun and they feel like plus because of it.

1. every poke on counter hit adds 3 more plus frames on hit
2. all d1s are -5 at least, no less

 

[exflyingbooty]

@MagicMan357 I think the issue is more about hurtboxes/hitboxes and some characters having a fucking 6 frame d+1 which shoudn't exist. If they normalize a lot of these options it wouldn't be so bad

 

[DrFolmer]

We do not need more pushback on pokes ...

 

[Vhozite]

D1's need some pushback. Not a bunch, but i think it's dumb you can d1 3 times and still be it throw range.

Alternatively we could also increase the blockstun on them so it's easier to take advantage of the current negative frames.

 

[DixieFlatline78]

I like that some characters have their low pokes as an actual attribute, so I dont want them homogenized. Maybe 7 frame D3s being -2 is way too much tho, but the benefits of landing them should be character to character.

Jump kicks are already minus if they're shallow, get better at challenging them. It's not like SF where they're always plus at any height

Throwing down pokes is an integral part of some characters throw games. Delaying throws to beat D2s is big brain shit that I love and pimp out. You could flash duck them, you could just not mash them out

 

[lordlosh]

If D1 is 6 on certain character, just make it 6/-6. No need for more changes.
No need to play completely different game, after patch, when the game is out just for 2 months.

 

[Vhozite]

Jump kicks are already minus if they're shallow, get better at challenging them. It's not like SF where they're always plus at any height

Not to derail but coming from Street Fighter holy shit this is life changing information. I always assumed deep jumps were +1000