Congratulations, your fallacy is argument ad populum.
I've seen this MU chart and I'm not denying it's validity but it's still not statistical proof gathered from actual tournament play, which suggests this game wasn't as imbalanced as it appears. Looking at the top 16's of this games EVO's alone contradicts this picture.The best source I can post is Billstickers' awesome MU chart. Just look at the number of generally agreed-upon 7\3 and worse matchups that existed. And compare the top 10's matchups with the bottom 10s.
What I just said is a mechanical reality of the game, what?
Crimson, this doesn't mean the game wasn't balanced. I don't think you understand what the idea of a balanced game means. You're complaining about power levels, but that doesn't mean the game wasn't balanced.
So you're saying that if a tournament player wins with a character, that overrides any previous MU knowledge? It's not just top players grinding and overcoming bad matchups?
If the top players can grind and overcome the bad MU's the game isn't that imbalanced. Sub Zero has more top 8's in MK9 than Cyrax and Sub was considered lower mid tier or some shit right? That suggests the power levels weren't really THAT bad in terms of disparity. Comparatively, there are MU's in MK11 where characters can't do shit even when they get their opportunities. You can see this in tournament results for MK11 too, certain characters just can't even break top 8's without a specific MU path to get them there.
I think you may want to define what balance means to you before continuing this discussion with anyone else. I'm reluctant to go by tournament results because I have no idea what state the game was in at the time of any given tournament. That chart is based on the final patch and is generally agreed upon by the community, including competitive players. I don't know how anyone can look at that and see it as "balanced".
Balance to me means, how is the power level distributed amongst the cast? In MKX, EVERYONE when they got their chances could do work. Yes, some characters were clearly better than others, but no one in the game was just fucking DOA. Even in MK9, a TOURNAMENT WIN at the highest level of a 7/3 MU alone suggests it can't even be that bad. A 7/3 means in a tournament setting it's basically impossible right? UNWINNABLE, your character has no options. I just disagree with this idea fundamentally I guess.
Based on the definition of "the power level is distributed evenly amongst the cast", I can't think of any balanced game.
"I am not the only one that believes that this is the most imbalanced game in NRS history since MK9."
A perfectly balanced game is obviously impossible, we're just talking about here making it so as much as possible. If everyone has a high power level in their niche, that's typically going to lead to a higher degree of balance except for unaccounted for toxic interactions in gameplay that just completely delete options. MK11 is the worst at this because it's nothing but the top tiers deleting options and neutral from the bottom 75% of the cast.
Are you assuming equal skill level and full MU knowledge here?
So you just completely glossed over that "highest level" part, huh?
7-3 MU becomes pretty bad though in a 2/3 format which I think most pools for this game are still ran in no? That one game makes a difference IMO.
You are making it obvious that you're unfamiliar with both of the early games.
Every game has bad match ups. It would be magical christmas land to think that every match up should be even. I've never seen Skarlet vs Jacqui at the highest possible level, but even if it is 9-1(and that feels like a hyperbolic claim to me), that 1 means that the match up- as we traditionally define match up numbers - isn't unwinnable.
lol no.
Nightwolf/Sheeva is the same thing. He literally can't evade the tracking of the stomp. It's actually garbage lol
"Every game has bad matchups" isn't an actual argument. That's not the point, it's that the game has tons of bad MU's mostly defined by a majority of the cast being lacking, fucked by the kustom variation system or the characters can't do basic fundamental shit period against a top tier. MK is consistently the only franchise where this kind of disparity is just the norm, especially in the modern age.
What is Robocop supposed to do to actually out decision an Upgraded Jacqui or a meta Fujin? What can Robocop actually do better than those characters? How many more right decisions does Robocop have to make than the Jacqui or the Fujin? Just thinking about these things logically on paper tells the story man.
I would also consider that a bug that needs fixing then.
