slothsftw
Mortal
So sub zero?
So sub zero?
I mean yeah, exactly. You could make an argument if wave dashing didn't exist so he couldn't MKX run into your face he'd be a bit more reasonable but yes, exactly.
I'm allowed to be wrong and change my mind Crimson. This isn't a dis-creditor of my argument. I didn't expect him to have a fuck neutral wave dash that made everything ridiculous in hindsight.You were one of the main people saying Fujin was bad -- which makes this conversation even more ironic now:
In fact, you guys were campaigning for buffs:
And you were careful to point out that it wasn't just an opinion from a distance, but that you'd spent tons of time labbing and playing the character yourself and you knew what you were talking about
You just say he was bad, you said he was "unusable" and "half-functioning". Beautiful.
Yeah, you tried to retcon it to "oh it's just a glitch/his wavedash", without acknowledging that you failed to mention all the other stuff that makes him good: Pressure, normals (b2? f3?), specials (Needle, Sky Wakka, etc.), ability to whiff punish, and safety.
What's the fallacy?
We're not talking about "over the edge" or what makes him absolute top tier. You said he was "unusable". While ignoring most of his best tools. Come on.
Why are you redirecting from the topic here? I've admitted I was wrong about Fujin. Move on.
It's not about Fujin. It's about the fact that you consistently try to hide questionable/hyperbolic arguments behind "listen to me, I talk to top players", instead of the merit of the arguments themselves.
I don't have questionable arguments but I do think it matters that the top players also happen to majorally agree with my arguments. An appeal to authority fallacy only applies if I'm invoking someone who is an authority, but not on the subject we're talking about. It isn't fallacious in this case to do so.
You make a claim and instead of refuting criticisms of the claim, you lean on "top players said it". Often times you don't cite these top players or what they specifically said.
What's the claim I'm not responding to or refuting though?
Thank you! One of the few times I’ve fully agreed with you.You were one of the main people saying Fujin was bad -- which makes this conversation even more ironic now:
In fact, you guys were campaigning for buffs:
And you were careful to point out that it wasn't just an opinion from a distance, but that you'd spent tons of time labbing and playing the character yourself and you knew what you were talking about
You just say he was bad, you said he was "unusable" and "half-functioning". Beautiful.
Maybe I was wrong about you. I hate the constant excuse making but spitting straight facts here.
Earlier, you roasted someone for using anecdotal evidence to substantiate claims. Saying, "Guys I played with did x consistently" is anecdotal evidence.
Actually, Crimson is 100% correct here. Also, spamming, "I talk to top players" isn't a compelling argument as they can be wrong too.
Parties are normally fun, though. Doesn't seem fair to compare a party to MK11.
The issue is your superlative argument going from one extreme to the other.
Prove I said "guys I played with did x consistently" because I never said that.
I understand that, I just think bringing this up now is a huge straw man. I was obviously MASSIVELY wrong and I admit that. Some people still wouldn't give that up.
As far as I know, everyone who is a dedicated Fujin main who we know to be good makes top 8's. Every Fujin main who when asked what's good about Fujin, say that it's because he eliminates the neutral, he legit keeps the majority of the cast from even getting to play the game and you NEED to play a meta character to actually stand a realistic chance of winning. There might be niche character answers, but those speculated ones haven't been shown to be consistent.
Well, I can't do that because that involves either showing DM's and I don't do that, or looking through stream VOD's to find time stamps. I still don't see proof my argument leans on this though. It's just the logical, obvious mechanical reality here that what I'm saying regarding Fujin is how it is here. The only way people can argue against this is making crazy post modernist digressions about everything so that you can't discuss anything about the game with hard definitions lol
Then why should I (or anyone else) believe you? If I started saying "top players send me DMs all the time and say I'm always right", would that convince you?
Okay, so why do you do it? It's a persistent behavior and disincentives people from engaging with you. Like, why would I defend any position counter to yours when I know it's going to devolve into "well, top players have reached a consensus and agree with me". Couple that with your reluctance to produce proof, and I know going into any disagreement that it's going to be an unsatisfying waste of my time.
