Tom Brady's MK9 Matchup Chart (2/17)

[rev0lver]

i side with ragnar0kz28, kitana destroy reptile, i play reptile as well and at the beginning i was winning most matches but once kitana learn how to keep him away and punish his dash all the time, is tough for reptile specially getting in, i would give this fight a 6/4 kitana's favor

You better be trolling.

 

[Maxter]

not trolling i'm serous, i consider chris g and arturo sanchez the best reptile and my brother destroys them both everytime they've played, also thtb is one of the best but my bro hasnt played against him

 

[ragnar0kz28]

First of all, this was a nightmare to read. Secondly, your story about playing Reptiles who get outzoned (lol) doesn't mean as much as high level Kitana and Reptile players who almost all agree it is 6-4 Reptile. I can also play *insert random mediocre kenshi player* online and win 10-0, but it's an awfully shitty matchup when you play someone who knows what they're doing.

Osu 16 Bit please read for comedy.

This was not online Iv improved alot since I dropped online randomness I dont think reptile can aproach whit ease on Kitana and the guy I played came 2nd in a tournament and really did every trick in the book agains others, also tryed it on my 2nd char that is Liu Kang and even flawled me but stood no chance on my Kitana and what do you have to say about NightWolf for real that char is terrible to use agains Kitana.

Ty Maxter for the support

 

[Vagrant]

But seriously, Kenshi's matchup against kano should be 10/0 in kenshi's favor.

The second you wrote that you negated any chance of people taking you seriously......

 

[Maxter]

This was not online Iv improved alot since I dropped online randomness I dont think reptile can aproach whit ease on Kitana and the guy I played came 2nd in a tournament and really did every trick in the book agains others, also tryed it on my 2nd char that is Liu Kang and even flawled me but stood no chance on my Kitana and what do you have to say about NightWolf for real that char is terrible to use agains Kitana.

Ty Maxter for the support

YW

 

[rev0lver]

This was not online Iv improved alot since I dropped online randomness I dont think reptile can aproach whit ease on Kitana and the guy I played came 2nd in a tournament and really did every trick in the book agains others

Then who is it? Chris G? Arturo? Snips? If they're getting owned by Kitana that means they don't know the matchup that well. I'm sorry Maxter but I'm not convinced you playing Reptile on the side is enough of an argument, same thing with CDjr picking up Kenshi against Kitana. Why does Reptile need to come to Kitana when he can trade acid spit for a knockdown and get a free forceball setup? It's not the dash. You're not going to just throw out dashes when playing offline.

 

[rev0lver]

not trolling i'm serous, i consider chris g and arturo sanchez the best reptile and my brother destroys them both everytime they've played, also thtb is one of the best but my bro hasnt played against him

Yeah, because he's a better player than them. There's logically nothing about the matchup that would possibly put Kitana at advantage.

 

[Bidu]

Raiden beats Reptile? Either every single Raiden I fought was sh*t or I'm a good Reptile...ONLINE LOL
I have'nt touched this game since SCV anyways so IDGAF.

But seriously I've always thought Elbow Dash beats teleport 24/7 and that's not even coming from me that's from the Reptile forums.

I'm not the one who made this chart, but trust me on this, it's not based on online experience.

 

[THTB]

Kitana can't keep Reptile away. Not if she wants to lose the projectile war. Kitana has to generally stay grounded in the projectile game or she gets spit, which is a knockdown and an unfavorable trade in the damage department. This sets up Reptile's opportunity to choose a projectile of choice. Even on normal trades this is true. Far away really isn't Kitana's game, at all.

Kitana up close is very lucky Reptile has trouble dealing with neutral block advantage. -1 might as well be +1, because Reptile is forced to elbow to cleanly stuff her. She also has to be careful with d1s, because Reptile has the most reliable serious punish for them. And she has to be careful not to be knocked down. Reptile has too many dumb wakeup shenanigans.

I don't think it's in Kitana's favor, but I honestly think as time goes on, Reptile's losing the advantage in this matchup. It'll just be 5-5. CD's just better than those two, and I don't think they put in enough time in the matchup in general.

 

[Plop]

i havent had a good look at this yet, but i know Kano doesn't beat Sub 6-4

 

[ragnar0kz28]

Then who is it? Chris G? Arturo? Snips? If they're getting owned by Kitana that means they don't know the matchup that well. I'm sorry Maxter but I'm not convinced you playing Reptile on the side is enough of an argument, same thing with CDjr picking up Kenshi against Kitana. Why does Reptile need to come to Kitana when he can trade acid spit for a knockdown and get a free forceball setup? It's not the dash. You're not going to just throw out dashes when playing offline.

Dude Im not american I dont live in USA so I cant play all those top players im from Venezuela so I got to play whit what we have some people in our community are really good the first time I met some of them live offline I got my ass kicked. Then I reevaluated my game play and came back to beat everyone in very good matches many close ones too bad I cant go to the regionals comming next week to record some good gameplay. Number 2 we get like 1 tournament every 1 or 1 and a half month so promoving this game is hard and once again to the facts acid hits lower than iAF and leaves both players at same distance if both proyectiles hit just acid does 7 I believe and iAF 8 or something like that, also force balls are slower so Kitana can land and block.

 

[Sasarix]

I like his tier list for the most part I do feel he's taking out some anger on Sub-Zero and maybe giving his "new" main Raiden to much credit. I feel he underestimates Shangs zoning abilities and Jax does not beat Sub-Zero imo anyway.

 

[Bidu]

I can figure that out. It's the same reason Kano beats cyrax. His knives just recover too fast to trade with ice ball. And I don't think sub can really punish up ball either. There is more I'm sure but it makes perfect sense.

Think about the best possible Kano. Sub doesn't stand a chance

Actually it's punishable by full BnB combo, I've heard. lol

Sub can slide knives at half screen and yes he can trade with iceball if he chooses to. From the beginning of the round, you're going to get pushed back towards the corner as kano because Sub gets free pressure off untechable knockdowns (slide) if you try to zone him and you can't wakeup attack due to clone. Once Subgets in on Kano, he mauls him, especially in the corner.

It's completely the other way around to how you see it.

All beautiful in the paper, but let's face it, Salvific... that's not real life works. lol I don't agree with 4-6 in Kano's favor either. To me it's a 5-5 match up.

 

[THTB]

I like his tier list for the most part I do feel he's taking out some anger on Sub-Zero and maybe giving his "new" main Raiden to much credit. I feel he underestimates Shangs zoning abilities and Jax does not beat Sub-Zero imo anyway.

People are going to eventually realize that Sub at bottom 3 isn't that unlikely. Even if he is, he fills a niche role as a counterpick character, as do a lot of characters.

That's why being low tier in this game isn't as big a deal. Every character has a purpose in some particular matchup, excluding a select few.

 

[Mr. Mileena]

You guys have to remember, these matchups are played at the "best possible/maximum level"

While I don't agree with some of the matchups (like sub-zero, sindel's)
Most of this is pretty accurate.

Yes, Kitana can beat a reptile, but go up against Chris G, THTB, Snips, etc, trust me, kitana loses that MU.
I have recently accepted the fact that reptile is a bad MU for her.

You can't expect to read Kitana vs Nightwolf -5-5, then go online and beat a decent a Nightwolf, and claim it's 6.5-3.5

Nightwolf seems low tier, then you have @Lordofthefly make him look like a threat.

I pretty much agree with all the numbers Kitana has gotten, I still think shes an amazing character, but she suffers vs people who can keep her out, since she has no immediate armor on an ex move (other than the horizontal part of her ex boost, which is unreliable at times)

 

[RapZiLLa54]

Tier lists are completely over rated and blown out of proportion. Anyone can beat anyone as long as they make the right reads, I'm not sure why this is always such a hot topic. The game is pretty balanced with a few up hill match ups for every character. Anyone can beat anyone, its up to the player not the character.

 

[rev0lver]

and once again to the facts acid hits lower than iAF and leaves both players at same distance if both proyectiles hit just acid does 7 I believe and iAF 8 or something like that, also force balls are slower so Kitana can land and block.

What the hell are you talking about? If you trade iaf with acid spit, you are knocked down and therefore are at disadvantage. Reptile is still standing and can freely throw out a forceball that you have to block (if you try to avoid it by waking up with squareboost, you'll eat an elbow dash). This is even more of a problem when knocked down at midscreen, as he can get free pressure off of his forceball setup.

Mr. Mileena what is your opinion of the Sindel-Kitana #?

 

[AngryWorm]

I just play online, but is Smoke really at the advantage vs Kitana? He's not a character I dread going against...

 

[Mr. Mileena]

What the hell are you talking about? If you trade iaf with acid spit, you are knocked down and therefore are at disadvantage. Reptile is still standing and can freely throw out a forceball that you have to block (if you try to avoid it by waking up with squareboost, you'll eat an elbow dash). This is even more of a problem when knocked down at midscreen, as he can get free pressure off of his forceball setup.

Mr. Mileena what is your opinion of the Sindel-Kitana #?

4 or 4.5 for sindel. Kitana wins that one imo.
But punishing jk fans can make it 4.5-5.5 with Kitana winning that MU

 

[RapZiLLa54]

What the hell are you talking about? If you trade iaf with acid spit, you are knocked down and therefore are at disadvantage. Reptile is still standing and can freely throw out a forceball that you have to block (if you try to avoid it by waking up with squareboost, you'll eat an elbow dash). This is even more of a problem when knocked down at midscreen, as he can get free pressure off of his forceball setup.

Revolver, stop owning him in this discussion its becoming a 10-0 matchup lol

 

[rev0lver]

4 or 4.5 for sindel. Kitana wins that one imo.
But punishing jk fans can make it 4.5-5.5 with Kitana winning that MU

What I mean is how is it Sindel's worst matchup compared to her other numbers. I really don't see it as even a hard 6-4 in Kitana's favor.

 

[Mr. Mileena]

What I mean is how is it Sindel's worst matchup compared to her other numbers. I really don't see it as even a hard 6-4 in Kitana's favor.

It's def not 3.5-6.5 lol

Imo, her hardest Match up is Raiden. that one is like a 3.5 lol

 

[SZSR]

I say the stupidest shit sometimes...

 

[ragnar0kz28]

You guys have to remember, these matchups are played at the "best possible/maximum level"

While I don't agree with some of the matchups (like sub-zero, sindel's)
Most of this is pretty accurate.

Yes, Kitana can beat a reptile, but go up against Chris G, THTB, Snips, etc, trust me, kitana loses that MU.
I have recently accepted the fact that reptile is a bad MU for her.

You can't expect to read Kitana vs Nightwolf -5-5, then go online and beat a decent a Nightwolf, and claim it's 6.5-3.5

Nightwolf seems low tier, then you have @Lordofthefly make him look like a threat.

I pretty much agree with all the numbers Kitana has gotten, I still think shes an amazing character, but she suffers vs people who can keep her out, since she has no immediate armor on an ex move (other than the horizontal part of her ex boost, which is unreliable at times)

Iv beat every NightWolf Iv played since day 1 even a guy on the PSN that had like 300 wins and 20 losses or so just by rushing you got to agree hes wakeups are among the worst in the game the match HAS to be in Kitanas favor thats something I bet my life on maybe 6/4 if im generous. Then again I cant just CANT say reptile has an adventage on Kitana from what iv seen in footage and own experience.

 

[Bidu]

People are going to eventually realize that Sub at bottom 3 isn't that unlikely. Even if he is, he fills a niche role as a counterpick character, as do a lot of characters.

That's why being low tier in this game isn't as big a deal. Every character has a purpose in some particular matchup, excluding a select few.

I don't give a damn about tier list. He is bottom 3? Fine, even better. That's make me fell even better of a player for putting such a fight against many of his match ups.

And yeah, I 100% agree with Tom where Sub and Raiden are at. I can't say much about the rest of cast, since those are the only characters I play.

Tier lists are completely over rated and blown out of proportion. Anyone can beat anyone as long as they make the right reads, I'm not sure why this is always such a hot topic. The game is pretty balanced with a few up hill match ups for every character. Anyone can beat anyone, its up to the player not the character.

This game still has lots of issues, bad programming (hello input bug), bugs and things that are supposed to work in a way, but they simply don't. I don't consider MK9 to be "pretty balanced", that would be SSF4AE 2012. But hey, I love this game bad and probably this ain't something that is going to ever change, so fuck it. lol