I did not contribute Skarlet's match up numbers, or even Freddy's for that matter. If I did, I would not have Freddy beat Sub Zero 7:3.
I completely agree, man. He definitely doesn't and I am sure you appreciate that he does not lose 4:6 to Kano, lol.
Your correct, so I will do what needs to be done to get baraka top 8. I know sooner or later one of the true main baraka players will make it. Hes all I use.
i missed the kano mu, yea i have seen that as in subs favor. i have never played a top freddy or shang so i cannot comment on those.
i believe tom over any other sub player, including myself. i dont play at the highest possible level, he has the experience. i was jsut stating how i originally thought the matchups were different. hhopefully som will give an explanation of these matchups
I don't think he has 8... but i'd say 4 of them are legit. The two and ONLY two I have a gripe with are Reptile and Kano. Those are both 5-5. Kano isn't that helpless against Sub... he has a good d1 that can poke him out of everything Sub does. You can't slide knives on reaction... you may think you are... but really you are guessing knives and its a right guess. He eats the first combo's to get his X-ray... which changes the match dramatically.
The fact kano has to eat combos to get Xray should tell you everything you need to know about the matchup. It's clutching at straws and what if he goes to xray and you jump over him mid pressure? He's now completely screwed. He's relying on landing a haymaker when you can control the pace of the entire fight. I'll take that as a good matchup any day of the week.
I won't be cloning out, lol. Why would I clone out when I can force you to guess to get out of my pressure? If I want to clone out, I'll do it after a d4, too, so I get optimal spacing. I won't just clone out right next to you. I am not stupid, lol.
but you will!!! its hard wired into how you play the character. The fact that i'm making you change how you play again means i'm winning the pacing match.
Kano is at a disadvantage precisely because he has to approach me with something other than knives and random balls. Sub's d4 is also awesome in that mid range area.
know i live in europe so we dont have as many majors etc as america/canada but ive never finished lower than 3rd with raka in tournies,by the way zero pm inbound!
I think Sub wins by more than 6-4.
The clone is like a wall vs Kano. Because Kano has no worthwhile armor move or mobility, once Sub Zero puts a clone on the screen, Kano cannot move forward. Sub Zero also has superior foosties, and 2,1 hits a block-crouching Kano. 2,1 also punishes up ball. Slide crouches under knife toss. If Sub Zero loses this match up 6:4, he may as well lose to every other character in the game. LOL.
First of all, this was a nightmare to read. Secondly, your story about playing Reptiles who get outzoned (lol) doesn't mean as much as high level Kitana and Reptile players who almost all agree it is 6-4 Reptile. I can also play *insert random mediocre kenshi player* online and win 10-0, but it's an awfully shitty matchup when you play someone who knows what they're doing.
I don't play sub or rep much, but thinking about it, I'd have to assume reptile would win if it was played right. However. I still agree that the subzero chart is just stupid now. Tom had it totally correct on the pod cast, he should never have changed it. Sub aint worse than Jade.
I should clarify, i meant good as in decent. I don't know if he beats Reptile or not, it's pretty even but, if you think about it, it has to be just as awkward a matchup from Rep's perspective as Sub's just because Sub trades evenly now and the clone occupys the space that Rep loves for his elbow dash.
