"Never allowed to live" cracked me up
Yes because thinking about the 4 ways you can say "fuck you" to my reset isn't a bad position at all. No no, your right I should waste the effort to have a you reset and guess which of the 4 options that your cycling through at any give point and guess right each time. Yes because that makes to much sense, and as amazingly fun as that sounds I'll just go back to taking my hard knock down into my GUARANTEED clone set up where I only have to think about 1 of those options. ONCE AGAIN I'm not saying I don't want to have to think, what i am saying is I don't want to have to think about 4 different scenarios and hope that the one I pick is the right one.
so your not saying you don't want to have to think, you just don't want to have to think about 4 options, which would be thinking? if that's the case then yea, I would recommend sticking with grandmaster sub and his clone to limit the amount of thinking you have to do after a knockdown. (not a upplay of clone at all or saying GM sub is Op, just saying the idea that your somehow at a disadvantage after landing a neutral standing reset is retarted)
Are you serious, actually scratch that I already know the answer. For the last damn time, I'm not saying he should have some sort of absurd frame advantage like +15, that is dumb even by my standards, but him being at +5 or +7 would not be over powered or stupid by any sense cause you can STILL armor out. When pumped up jax does regular gottcha grab the only thing you can do is, block or armor, he does this for no meter and he has mix up as well. Im only asking to be able to limit my opponent to the same 2 options as he does. Not run brain dead mix up and inescapable pressure for no reason. My opponent having 4 ways to disrespect me at minimum to no risk to them is dumb, and there is no way you can justify that. The whole point of the re-stand is for me take away their wake up game while still maintaining my pressure or mix up. With the move being neutral that option is not there due to the fact that I have to stop everything to consider the 4 or 5 options that have to get away, versus the 2 options, 3 if they have full meter that Jax in pumped up who does the SAME THING has to consider. So yes your right I don't want think, not about 4/5 options at once. Cause in tournament if I need to clutch a match out, Id rather say, Oh lost to the one other option he had vs, I had to stop because I had to "think" about the other 5 he had, and he got away. That kind guessing game is something I dont think any player would want to partake in at high level or even a casual level. Hell at least Cassie has EX Nut Cracker to grantee her mix up and pressure, Cryo has nothing of the sort. In fact I challenge you to play this game for a day and never use EX nut cracker and then come back and tell me about your experience. And make sure to play good and competent players.
You should look up the definition of neutral in a fighting game. There is no way for the opponent to disrespect you when your neutral. You and your opponent have equal opportunity to use whatever tools you have. Also look up yomi and conditioning. You say the opponent has 4 or 5 options and sub has a way to beat out all those options, or go for his own offense once he's conditioned the opponent to respect him.
Ok so I was just in training mode and I did whatever into that reset, and you know what I found? That against himself, the Sub-Zero that got hit can, beat out the the other Subs d4 with his own D4, which is 9 frames by the way, he can back dash, he can armor frost bomb he can armor slide, he can regular slide, and he can jump away. I he has full meter her can Xray He can even use 1,1 before the Sub that hit him can do anything. Also since I know you play subzero more specifiacally cryomancer, You do realize that the only normals hes in range for is B2 and D4 and all my opponents options get more viable the second I go for that overhead. So Im gonna say this one more time, why, should I after I hit you, go back to neutral? Btw the neutral in this game barely exists what with "Oh did I get hit? Fuck it time to armor." "Oh what did you wanna play neutral, fuck that shit imma jump and put you in this 50/50." And clearly your not reading what Im typing. Ok I take that back your reading what Im typing but your clearly don't comprehend it. Im not saying Im getting disrespected in neutral. Im saying that when I do this combo ender the situation I am in after make absolutely no sense for what the move does. FYI its impossible to condition someone if they know that there is never a reason to really respect you, that is ludicrous. And yes I know what Yomi, is but why would I want to have to continuously have to yomi after my combo end while, your on character, for the low, low price of one bar of meter has to do no such thing in same exact situation? That is fucking preposterous.
You wrote this to the wrong person pal. I suggest you to take a look at some other replies at this thread, first i'm not saying anything like in cryo he's perfectly fine and doesnt need any fix man i only said that i saw some nonsense suggestions, not everything here lol rethink what are you gonna say and for WHO you will say it...
It's not supposed to be his aggressive Rushdown variation at all, he has no easier time getting in than any other other variation, and ends on a nuetral reset. You've just decided that this is what you want it to be, which is why your suggested buffs do nothing to work with the design of the character, instead turning him into something brain dead flow chart machine.
Which one of MY suggested buffs make him brain dead and flow charty? Do tell. Also tell me what the variation is supposed to do then hm? his defensive options are pitiful, he isnt going to zone you, and dont you dare say "Oh hes a footies character" cause that would require him to have a way to force the opponent to actually PLAY neutral, which he does not. So tell me, what is this variation again?
Give this lil fellow here a round of applause for trying to troll his heart out.
Look at your post history bro. Every single post.
In either case ,psychiatric help is required... and ice cream
Ok I'm just going to let you have this casue clearly your not reading or understanding what Im saying at all, so its all yours, you win.
Every option you listed for your opponent is also available to you, because as I've said numerous times, your neutral. Your not locked into blocking or doing the overhead, your neutral you can do whatever you want. And if someone is poking after every restand, then blow it up with armor slide, block and take your frame advantage, or jump in yourself and start pressure. That's how you condition them, blow up the poke with armor and they hesitate before poking again. The main point I'm making is that you have every option your opponent has, and an option to blow up most of the options they have. Like @I GOT HANDS is saying, if you just use his footsie tools or if hammer was a bit better, he wouldn't need advantage after the ender.
This is basically where it's at. His strings do absolutely nothing for him or his role, hell they are useless for everyone. The improved D2 is a good start, thats about it tho
