CaseyJones
Noob
Even better thenim talkin bout when you have him in the corner and he blocks the 212 n try tou get out with teleport..
if you caught him with the ex slide.. you can also do the brady thing with 222
Even better thenim talkin bout when you have him in the corner and he blocks the 212 n try tou get out with teleport..
if you caught him with the ex slide.. you can also do the brady thing with 222
typically you won't. He is too fast and has too many ways to stay mid screen.Problem with that for me is... I can never get KL to the corner. He's all over the place on me.
Well the problem is if you do naked 224 on block you are something like -13 and can be fully punished especially because you are very close to the opponent. On the other hand, 224-ice clone not only reduces the disadvantage but prevents the opponent from advancing on you or else they're frozen. I mean if you have conditioned them to respect the clone then sure you will get away with the odd 'no-clone'. But it's better to put the clone out after all blockstrings. The only way you can get blown up is an armour attack but that forces them to use meter. Without a clone there you can get punished hard if the opponent knows it.
22 and 224 should never be done point blank anyway,212 is the string i mainly use.
Even if it is done at further distance, fast advancing normals will punish it or 100% you will have to block an opponent's strings so you have just given up your offense. Clone prevents that. Plus 22/224 is better mid-screen in the neutral game. I only really use 212-ice clone for the corner set-ups.
no it isn't,22 is a tool to check on your opponent,you're only -6 which is at worst a max range d4 with no consequences other than 3% damage
I don't get what you're saying tbh. You think 21 is a better string mid-screen? You are right about the 224 string but that's the best way to hunt your offense as a Sub Zero player because the damage done of 22 hit confirm is greater than 21/212. Plus you can do it from further away.
212 is unpunishable except by very fast specials,224 NEEDS a clone to stay unpunished.
How is it -6 max range? Isn't 212 -11 on block? Also 22 freeze can lead into B121 reset or 214-slide for corner push. Considering the nature of Sub's game you need a life lead and corner push. That's what he excels at, turtling and corner domination. 21 doesn't really offer that. It's just as hard to punish max range 224. In fact you can whiff the first 2 and because of the large hitbox of the second 2 (and it comes out so quickly afterwards) you have to respect it. 21 on whiff is easily punished. Besides clone off 224 puts you at optimal spacing level, just outside or touching on max range D4. That's where you want to be mid-screen.
the only way you'd whiff 21 is if your opponent jumped back/low hitbox/you got baited.
Oh sorry didn't realise you meant 22. Nightwolf or Cage cannot punish with F3? Nightwolf's punish would have to be just frame anyways but for the most part you are correct. Fast specials and same applies to 224. 212-ice clone actually has slightly less pushback so you are inside D4 range. But as you said the random bug thing can occur. Does that also apply mid-screen (the bug)? Or only corner? I know the 1 in 21 advances but still an easier whiff punish than 22 which is near impossible.
Right now i'm trying to play a more aggressive subzero i REALLY want to use @Dark Rob 's motto of "clones are more dangerous off the screen" (or was it THTB,i forget) and it's working,i force my opponents to respect the clone.
Like D4-clone? Not a fan. D4 (finish animation)-clone? Absolutely. Clone is bigger. You do not need to cancel the D4 since it is neutral on block anyways. As you correctly stated, clones are more dangerous off screen. I just think that because you are at disadvantage from a block string you HAVE to (imo) clone after. However in the neutral game you should not auto clone. It is more scary when it isn't there. Bait the opponent and then throw out a clone to scare them. I agree with that.
. I like 21-clone. I do B12-clone as well sometimes off a JIP (don't use B1 in the neutral game).
off of a jip i used b1 xxd4,it's a nice mixup,if they try to block low or interrupt the poke they get hit by 2 for full combo.Like D4-clone? Not a fan. D4 (finish animation)-clone? Absolutely. Clone is bigger. You do not need to cancel the D4 since it is neutral on block anyways. As you correctly stated, clones are more dangerous off screen. I just think that because you are at disadvantage from a block string you HAVE to (imo) clone after. However in the neutral game you should not auto clone. It is more scary when it isn't there. Bait the opponent and then throw out a clone to scare them. I agree with that.
I don't think aggressive Sub works tbh. You have to play Brady style Sub Zero. The more Sub is pressing the offense, the more likely it is you will get blown up if you make the wrong moves. I just keep it simple tbh and stick to 224 mid screen. Nothing wrong with 212 or 21, just I feel it works better in the corner when I am in the opponents' face and I am forced to press the issue.
I still use the odd 21 mid-screen but I am always looking to throw after that to net 12% guaranteed damage. The 21-21-21-21 gimmick days are over
It's a nice mix-up and less risky than B1-slide. I do man but getting a new one. Old one died
. So when I do I will add you and we can duke it out . Might take 2 weeks though.
i have a feeling i never wrote that i intended to do what i do after a successful d4
what do you think you did wrong?
Don't hang your head.... just re-watch your match.
Pretty much what Charlie said. You played almost exactly like I would against Cage as well.
The only thing I can think of is too much jumping.