Pig Of The Hut
Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
My Thoughts On these numbers And smoke down playing
...haven't we known this since the beginning of the game?As a Smoke player who only plays Cage on stream, I endorse this thread.
You really like that pic, don't you?My Thoughts On these numbers And smoke down playing
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I play Cage as an alt and I don't find the MU vs Kabal to be anywhere near as bad as it is with Smoke.First off, it's not as if GGA happened magically. Chicago has that scene because the players there built it up. Dizzy and I aren't brothers, it's not luck we are roommaes. You live in Ohio, you meet up with 2 EVO finalists every few weeks. You have a better opportunity than most of the community.
Secondly, this plan sucks. You don't have time to level up Smoke so you're going to invest in alts? How are you going to learn those MU? If you're playing a Cage in tourney that's good enough you can't outplay him with your main you have no chance of beating them in the mirror. Also what happens when they counter your counter? You go to the Cage mirror to beat their Cage in game 2. Now they go to Kabal or Kenshi. Good luck with that.
I am serious but Ohio isn't. Dave is known for dodging games with Ribbz and I because we are Smoke players. I have actually never even played him once because he does not want to work on the matchup. King is willing to grind, but he's not always around and since he usually goes all the way to grand finals there's not a whole lot of time to get casuals in at CoCo.Then there's something wrong. Either with the way you play the MU as Smoke or the way your Kabal plays JC. Because that is ridiculous.
Regardless, the point is it makes no sense to invest in these pocket characters if you can't even invest in leveling up Smoke. I mean, what's the goal here? To get 25th or something? Your pocket Cage isn't going to beat a top Kabal. The top Cage's can barely hang with the top Kabal's. If you're serious about doing better in tournament then be serious and stop looking for a simple solution.
A lot of us dont have any sympathy.I am serious but Ohio isn't. Dave is known for dodging games with Ribbz and I because we are Smoke players. I have actually never even played him once because he does not want to work on the matchup. King is willing to grind, but he's not always around and since he usually goes all the way to grand finals there's not a whole lot of time to get casuals in at CoCo.
Regardless, I'll be playing and training with PL in the next few weeks. I'm obviously being proactive about doing better in tournament, but I still feel that no matter how much work I or anyone else puts into this character (and has done for 1.5 years), he still will not win a tournament. He will make a few top 8's, but not alone. He will be assisted by a pocket character in tournament without a doubt.
@ everyone, Enough with this constant accusing of the Smoke community for consistent downplaying. This is absolutely false. The rest of the MK community needs to stop up-playing Smoke. You think he's underrated? You pick him up. Think his 100% 2-bar resets are easy mode and that you should be able to beat anyone in the world just because you have that threat in your back pocket? You play smoke. Prove to all of us that, after all our work, we are all terrible players and that it's 100% our fault and not even 10% the character's fault for why he's just not good enough by himself. Because by telling us that we are all down playing, you are telling us that we are all also bad players and cannot figure out how to play him after 1.5 YEARS, and it's absolutely insulting to everyone that spends their time and money to play and support this game in the tournament scene.
No you and some others are pretty much the reason why the Smoke community gets blown up. We are trying to have honest discussions about the character and you run into the forum and scream at the top of your lungs DOWNPLAYERS every single chance you get.Threads like this is why the Smoke community gets blown up. These bad MU are not far out of his favor. You can compete. They're not 0-10 MU. They're not any worse than the bad MU everyone else(except Kabal players lol) regularly overcome.
Let's be serious here. Wafflez is my boy but he wasn't leveling up at the same pace for a year and a half. The Tommy of 2011 was losing because he wasn't good yet not because of Smoke's bad MU. It's only relatively recently, when he's truly become great at the game, that Smoke's issues have become his main problem in tournament.
Can't be salty at that. I hope someone can prove us wrong, but I really doubt that is ever going to happen.I am the sheriff of downplaying and you guys are guilty as charged.
I mean, if you want the answer to your own question, you just compared Smoke to Sub-Zero.
Just because 16 bit comes into every thread shouting downplayer every chance he gets as the sheriff of downplaying, doesn't mean we are complaining about the MU's. If the community thinks a match is 7-3 6-4 or whatever, how about we discuss it and maybe come to some agreement after we have had a chance to break it down proper...rather than seeing post after post that just says something along the lines of HE DOES A LOT OF DAMAGE SO HE DOESN'T LOSE THE MU.So yeah, if you guys think playing smoke is terrible and bad....try being a Quan Chi main.
Really. Try it. The Quan community doesn't really complain about our bad match-ups, rather we try and find a way to gimmick and math our way through them
I totally hear what you are saying regarding other chars like Sub, but I think the difference is that we are trying to explore and discuss Smoke's MU's against the top tier while the general conception of the community is that Smoke has a ton of tools that should make him closer to the top than he currently is (although no armor really hurts him at times). I don't think we as a community think characters like Sub (and other similar chars) are tournament viable so as a result those communities are not getting blown up in the same way.I mean, if you want the answer to your own question, you just compared Smoke to Sub-Zero. SNIP
Only thing i dislike about this post is that kitana can keep cage out slightly better with fans than smoke does with bombs.You guys aren't exploring the MU, this thread is literally about giving up and saying Smoke can't compete.
Saying Smoke can't compete with Kabal is obnoxious. We're all working overtime in that MU. I get 2~NDC is a problem but you guys have one of the best solutions to IAGB and the damage does matter. Nobody beats Kabal. We all must beat Kabal players and at least in your case when you exploit weaknesses you get hella damage. The fact that Kitana does so much damage is how I overcome her bad MU, you do even more.
I don't want to hear any more downplaying about Cage either. Smoke's tools for beating Cage aren't much different than what I use. Someone explain to me how that is so bad you can't compete and need to go to the Cage mirror.
The sherrif has spoken.
I don't mind the Cage MU, I don't think the community is complaining about this one. I think it is slight advantage Cage (I play both characters) but probably not enough to shift it anywhere from 5-5 at this point. Worst case it is a very very winnable 6-4 Cage.You guys aren't exploring the MU, this thread is literally about giving up and saying Smoke can't compete.
Saying Smoke can't compete with Kabal is obnoxious. We're all working overtime in that MU. I get 2~NDC is a problem but you guys have one of the best solutions to IAGB and the damage does matter. Nobody beats Kabal. We all must beat Kabal players and at least in your case when you exploit weaknesses you get hella damage. The fact that Kitana does so much damage is how I overcome her bad MU, you do even more.
I don't want to hear any more downplaying about Cage either. Smoke's tools for beating Cage aren't much different than what I use. Someone explain to me how that is so bad you can't compete and need to go to the Cage mirror.
The sheriff has spoken.