"No one has even mentioned it before; that the Trance gives time to build meter."
When you land a Trance, immediately do another Trance to gain meter, then combo as usual.
Hey Krames. Sorry I hadn't seen your post. The thought had occurred to me that other people could be using the trance, or other freeze moves with other characters, as a meter opportunity. But I hadn't heard anything to this extent of capitalizing on the potential of it to alter his game. I think if it's talked about that "you can whiff 2 specials during the trance", it won't seem like a big deal and people would shrug it off. Now they'll know the unique meter rates for certain specials, start earning breakers, and be able to set up long Rune Traps when they're far away from enough meter to do so. But I would have said something if I knew, trust me man. I just really wanted to full present this in a mathematical breakdown to show just exactly what you can do (or rather, get away with!) with this stuff."No one has even mentioned it before; that the Trance gives time to build meter."
Whatever; it wasn't very easy to find the post and I hadn't optimized it, but I'd been doing that since the patch came out... good thing more people know about it now, though. Guess I should post something like that in a more obvious place next time... Had no idea you had time for both Trance and Rune, though; gonna have to use that from now on. Going to try ending combos with whiffed Trance a bit more, as well; I've considered it before, but thought that the damage and meter from the Ground Burst ender in addition to the better oki(also potentially providing damage and meter) made that the better option... I'm rather interested to see what else you've found.
2, 1, Ex Rune will always hit, unless Breakered. After 2, 1, 2 your opponent can retaliate, escape, etc...
You know, I've been wondering about this myself for quite a long time now... when exactly can you get out? I always assumed that was the reason nobody did it, but I'm trying to find a time or way to get out in training right now, but can't; the opponent's stagger off the EX Rune lasts long enough to dash forward and connect with another b+3, 2, f+1, 1, etc. Blocking the 2,1,2 keeps the opponent in blockstun for too long to do anything about the EX Rune and getting hit by the 2,1,2 leaves the opponent staggering long enough to get hit by the EX Rune. Am I missing something?
How about in the corner?
Here's the difference between 2 1 EX Rune and 2 1 2 EX Rune. 2% chip damage. They are both inescapable. The EX Rune comes out way too fast for them to recover from block stun. Here's what you want to do. If you're using a single Rune in a trap, do 2 1 2 EX Rune to take the extra chip damage. If you're doing multiple runes, you use 2 1 Rune to keep them close enough for the next 2 1 to hit, and so on, until your final rune. And then you do 2 1 2 rune. There is no way for them to retaliate between the 2 and the rune. It's only a matter of keeping them close for the duration of the trap.
I have had a few escape when I was testing 2, 1, 2 EX Rune. Must have been an error on my end, or lag.
The timing is strict with the JIP, and I'm not sure it is free.
I've been in the lab with Quan extensively and exclusively for the past few days and I believe the ex skull gives a free jump-in, and the punch must be blocked. This isn't a bad thing, however, far from it, as it opens another mixup opportunity for Quan that can lead into full combos, whether you hit the JIP -> any starter, or it's blocked -> b3,1+2/f1,2/u3 -> trance.
Take the last hit of 212 to get out should work right? I cant remember if it knocks you down or not.