The Mop Stop Special Edition: Scorpion Ban? Episode Feat: Pig of the Hut, REO, Tom Brady and m2dave

[Cat]

Really hope he's banned for evo and future tournaments until they fix

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No ban for Evo. After yes.
I want to scrub ppl out. Lol.
After that the patch should make tele hit mid and only be able mb on hit.

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[RiBBz22]

Mannnnnnnnnnnnn, Scorpion needs buffs

 

[CrimsonShadow]

What people should understand about CEO is this -- and it's the same as has happened with characters in other games -- when a problem like this starts, it's not an immediate change. So here's the situation:

It's CEO time.. A few people pick up Scorpion because he seems good. These are new scorpion players, not very evolved. A bunch more people make plans to pick up scorpion or add him as a secondary, but they won't do it for CEO since it's too soon and they feel more confident in their mains.

Fast forward to CEO tournament day.. A few new-ish Scorpions enter.. They beat a lot of people in the bracket, then they get blown up in Top 8. So everyone says "look! The Scorpions got blown up! All this talk was overrated, look what happened at CEO -- the character is fine, he lost to X".

So everyone goes along their merry way.. Meanwhile the Scorpion players are levelling up and actually learning the matchups. They develop tech that makes the character even harder to fight. A month or two later at big tournaments, it's an entirely different story, and all the people who were talking tough about Scorpion end up getting mopped up by people figuring out how to make a questionable character even more broken.

So I can already see the 'proof' talk starting for CEO.. But know that, stuff like this takes time to manifest, and once it hits full force, the damage to the community can be irreparable.

 

[RiBBz22]

What people should understand about CEO is this -- and it's the same as has happened with characters in other games -- when a problem like this starts, it's not an immediate change. So here's the situation:

It's CEO time.. A few people pick up Scorpion because he seems good. These are new scorpion players, not very evolved. A bunch more people make plans to pick up scorpion or add him as a secondary, but they won't do it for CEO since it's too soon and they feel more confident in their mains.

Fast forward to CEO tournament day.. A few new-ish Scorpions enter.. They beat a lot of people in the bracket, then they get blown up in Top 8. So everyone says "look! The Scorpions got blown up! All this talk was overrated, look what happened at CEO -- the character is fine, he lost to X".

So everyone goes along their merry way.. Meanwhile the Scorpion players are levelling up and actually learning the matchups. They develop tech that makes the character even harder to fight. A month or two later at big tournaments, it's an entirely different story, and all the people who were talking tough about Scorpion end up getting mopped up.

So I can already see the 'proof' talk starting for CEO.. But know that, stuff like this takes time to manifest, and once it hits full force, the damage to the community can be irreparable.

It is only a matter of time before we are all......

 

[PunkMafia83]

Mannnnnnnnnnnnn, Scorpion needs buffs

shut up.

 

[Minh Giang]

Now people on eventhub and other pages says that we (MK/Injustice community) are a bunch of whiners who complain too much and the game lost its hype now .

 

[RiBBz22]

This is pretty much how I sound when I am at my setup playing good Scorpion players online.

 

[T4T|Nevan]

With our suggestion, all characters in the game would be able to punish MB teleport with b+3 on block, essentially getting their most damaging combo.

That is just plain stupid. Really dumb...so essentialy for the character to be 'legit' he should be fullcombo punished/getting 50% dmg combos when you can't do that in most of the cast?

OUTRAGEOUS LOL! Do that for BA's divekick, for KFs slide, Supermans beams/punch, Aquaman 'trident from bellow' and etc...would that make sense? HELL NO.

The great mojority of this community thirst for nerfs and the amount of salty rivers is in a universal scale.

It is ridiculous.

 

[AssassiN]

Scorpion in Injustice is proof that the block button is superior.

In saying that, i honestly don't believe that any fixes to Scorpion will change his gameplay enough to the extent that people will stop complaining about him. He is just not meant to be in this game, period.

I love scorpion & love his combos, but I'm not blind to the truth, he just does not belong.

Not really, he is far superior in Injustice. In MK9 you could see his teleport coming and stop it, whether it was through a simple uppercut or a combo. So it wasn't a free ticket in.

 

[MagicMan357]

What tom said was good, allow MB tele to only come out on hit and buff his walk speed

 

[Dizzy]

I disagree the immediate ban opinions. Again, this is like the 4th time i've posted about it, so forgive me if I repeat myself from other threads.

After fighting Scorp, the members of this podcast say that he "breaks the mechanics of the game", wasn't properly designed, and what not. Well, I have been thinking this about many things in the game, before Scorp ever even came out. Rooftop Metropolis, Vortex chars, slow walk speed, bad AA mostly, 50/50 stage select, lots of things. These things don't reward any "fundamentals" and are "scrubby", as as Scorp. I feel like Scorp is just another dumb thing added to the game, and to tack him onto the list.

Plenty of players were quitting before Scorpion because of things like this. Unfortunately, that is just the game. Who are we to cherry pick what we deem doesn't go with the design of the game? I thought the design that everyone loved was "the dirt" and everyone had their stuff. Scorp is the straw that broke the camels back? I don't feel like that at all. There are plenty of MUs where I cannot push a button because I'm utterly dominated. That is the game we play and Scorp is just another one of these top chars.

If we ban Scorp because, we as a community, feel like he "doesn't belong" is extremely misguided. I feel like the game would be much better with Interactables disabled, and several things changed, but that just is not the game we play. I can't say "this game would be good if all these top chars got toned down, walk speed was buffed, etc" when this is not the game and probably never will be. People will leave the game regardless. If he's patched, hes patched and thats how it goes.

Pre-emptively banning something that isn't literally broken (Freddy being projectile immune sometimes, in MK9 for example) is never good. All the famous and much quoted bans happened after it was proven they needed to be banned.

 

[RWDY Nori]

New poll, Ban for Evo?

Where is it at so I can sign it?

Seriously this. Is there a poll created yet?

 

[Zoidberg747]

I'm sorry but why does the opinion of someone who sits on a couch effect those who spend thousands to travel for this?
if top level players say ban it then it should be fair they spend the money to go place not joe smo who beats scorpions all the time online.

ban him i dont wana travel to lose to his BS

Tons of tournament players have been against the ban.

Just go look in f0xy's thread, click the no votes. I saw mostly tournament players names.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

After fighting Scorp, the members of this podcast say that he "breaks the mechanics of the game", wasn't properly designed, and what not. Well, I have been thinking this about many things in the game, before Scorp ever even came out. Rooftop Metropolis, Vortex chars, slow walk speed, bad AA mostly, 50/50 stage select, lots of things. These things don't reward any "fundamentals" and are "scrubby", as as Scorp. I feel like Scorp is just another dumb thing added to the game, and to tack him onto the list.

Plenty of players were quitting before Scorpion because of things like this. Unfortunately, that is just the game. Who are we to cherry pick what we deem doesn't go with the design of the game? I thought the design that everyone loved was "the dirt" and everyone had their stuff. Scorp is the straw that broke the camels back? I don't feel like that at all. There are plenty of MUs where I cannot push a button because I'm utterly dominated. That is the game we play and Scorp is just another one of these top chars.

Dizzy, you're one of the players I respect the most; and I definitely respect that opinion as well as your outlook -- I just don't think it's fair to compare a character that can keep this up on a second-to-second basis to an interactible that spawns and gets thrown every half-minute or so and can be punished when you attempt to go up and get it, on a stage that you have at least a 50% chance of not even playing on.

It's not that both aren't problematic -- it's that the severity of the issue is drastically different.

Interactibles and 50/50s, like them or not, are generally how the game was meant to be played. There are issues in some causes where they are more powerful than they need to be (like Rooftop Metropolis), but that's more of a tweaking issue than something that abolishes the game's fundamental play at a basic level.

The problem here is that people can't even use their interactibles or 50/50s, or even the basic tenets of non-IGAU fighting game gameplay, because they are forced to block a mixup that never stops. That's a much higher order of magnitude in terms of issues to address.

 

[RWDY Nori]

I think you guys should also do a podcast making a matchup chart (not a tier list)

 

[ColdBoreMK23]

Changing the podcast name already? Ratings must been in the shitter.=)

 

[Dizzy]

Dizzy, you're one of the players I respect the most; and I definitely respect that opinion as well as your outlook -- I just don't think it's fair to compare a character that can keep this up on a second-to-second basis to an interactible that spawns and gets thrown every half-minute or so and can be punished when you attempt to go up and get it.

It's not that both aren't problematic -- it's that the severity of the issue is drastically different.

Interactibles and 50/50s, like them or not, are generally how the game was meant to be played. There are issues in some causes where they are more powerful than they need to be, but that's more of a tweaking issue than something that abolishes the game's fundamental play at a basic level.

Much of the local scene here has quit or will only seldomly play casuals for INJ before Scorp was out due to the issues I bring up there. I don't feel like it is an invalid argument.

I know how much people love to pump up the MK Illuminati as the best INJ players, but I play against one of the best FG players GGA Slips, who has proven he is one of the best at INJ too getting 4th at a major with a "mid tier char", who now uses Scorp. I would hope that amounts to some validity being added to my opinion.

For your last point, I don't feel like Scorp isn't doing anything that strays from the "way the game is meant to be played". Sadly, the game does reward alot of the more "stupid" things Scorp does as thats just how the game is. For all we know, he could be one of the factors for why down blocks both ways being used. It was could have been added as the way to deal with things like this.

But, we are not the NRS Design team and cannot comment on how the game should be played, all I know for sure is the game will without a doubt be patched and it will be to suit how they design team things the game should be playing. If Scorp is the engine rapist that the Four Horsemen of Zoning claim him to be, then he will be addressed in a patch.

 

[Vogue]

Can you front page this already? The arguments are getting ridiculous by people who have no clue what is going on.

 

[Faded Dreams V]

How to fix Scorpion: Make his teleport hit opponent in front.......bam.

 

[NY_Jailhouse]

Watching perfectlegend panic and try to save his character from the inevitable ban by tweeting and writing articles is one of the funniest things I've ever seen

 

[REO]

I disagree the immediate ban opinions. Again, this is like the 4th time i've posted about it, so forgive me if I repeat myself from other threads.

After fighting Scorp, the members of this podcast say that he "breaks the mechanics of the game", wasn't properly designed, and what not. Well, I have been thinking this about many things in the game, before Scorp ever even came out. Rooftop Metropolis, Vortex chars, slow walk speed, bad AA mostly, 50/50 stage select, lots of things. These things don't reward any "fundamentals" and are "scrubby", as as Scorp. I feel like Scorp is just another dumb thing added to the game, and to tack him onto the list.

Plenty of players were quitting before Scorpion because of things like this. Unfortunately, that is just the game. Who are we to cherry pick what we deem doesn't go with the design of the game? I thought the design that everyone loved was "the dirt" and everyone had their stuff. Scorp is the straw that broke the camels back? I don't feel like that at all. There are plenty of MUs where I cannot push a button because I'm utterly dominated. That is the game we play and Scorp is just another one of these top chars.

If we ban Scorp because, we as a community, feel like he "doesn't belong" is extremely misguided. I feel like the game would be much better with Interactables disabled, and several things changed, but that just is not the game we play. I can't say "this game would be good if all these top chars got toned down, walk speed was buffed, etc" when this is not the game and probably never will be. People will leave the game regardless. If he's patched, hes patched and thats how it goes.

Pre-emptively banning something that isn't literally broken (Freddy being projectile immune sometimes, in MK9 for example) is never good. All the famous and much quoted bans happened after it was proven they needed to be banned.

after ppl read the post above read this below so u r aware of gga's bias

- gga wants scorpion legal cuz they play chars like killer frost and aquaman

u dont think 16bit wants all the random scorps to beat the black adams in tourney for him so he has better chance 2 win?

killer frost beats scorp and she does better vs him than any1 else

- dizzy plays aquaman who handles scorp well and u dont think he wants scorp to random out and beat all the superman, black adam, gl, etc. players for him?

gga has slips playing scorpion and they obviously want him 2 win evo and other majors so they can pump each other up by screaming gga! gga! gga!


also dizzy's argument was he is comparing some1 winning a 50/50 stage select with a power char on METROPOLIS like black adam rooftop vs non-power char 2 scorpion

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with scorpion u dont have 2 win any 50/50 stage select with a power char to be dumb... u just choose the char cuz hes DUMB AT PRETTY MUCH ALL TIMES

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I'm not saying he's not OP, but I've played some pretty damn good scorpions(maybe not REO or PL) and I don't really have a problem against him. Maybe its because WW and Grundy naturally have stuff that counters what he does so i dont feel everyone else's pain. Just to be on the safe side though I guess ban him.

You should play Reo

It will change your mind

 

[Vogue]

Watching perfectlegend panic and try to save his character from the inevitable ban by tweeting and writing articles is one of the funniest things I've ever seen

Almost as funny as the "props" he is getting from players of other communities and TOs who have no idea what is going on.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Much of the local scene here has quit or will only seldomly play casuals for INJ before Scorp was out due to the issues I bring up there. I don't feel like it is an invalid argument.

I know how much people love to pump up the MK Illuminati as the best INJ players, but I play against one of the best FG players GGA Slips, who has proven he is one of the best at INJ too getting 4th at a major with a "mid tier char", who now uses Scorp. I would hope that amounts to some validity being added to my opinion.

For your last point, I don't feel like Scorp isn't doing anything that strays from the "way the game is meant to be played". Sadly, the game does reward alot of the more "stupid" things Scorp does as thats just how the game is. For all we know, he could be one of the factors for why down blocks both ways being used. It was could have been added as the way to deal with things like this.

But, we are not the NRS Design team and cannot comment on how the game should be played, all I know for sure is the game will without a doubt be patched and it will be to suit how they design team things the game should be playing. If Scorp is the engine rapist that the Four Horsemen of Zoning claim him to be, then he will be addressed in a patch.

I asked 16 bit what do you do when slips does this w scorpion

His response was "he doesn't do that"

That bothered me, slips isn't even using his brokeness yet

 

[chores]

what about just making his teleport not hit at all. same animation as everything just no punch. give it the same frames as ares