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played this while reading the thread
pretty much. The game plan for a large portion of the cast is to get them to the corner and contain them. The meta there changes based on who you're fighting. You can't braindead f23 there either because the opponent can still push block and/or MB B3/F3 you or jump back 2 etc. You have to use the threat of F23 and the dive punch reset to make them commit errors that you then punish with big damage
What set ups are you using in the corner? After enough games against my brother I can't land a reset for shit.
if you play Bladam then you already know how to play lame to a certain extent. Superman doesn't have much anymore in terms of rushdown, there are way better characters, like flash or batgirl. What he does have is the ability to whiff punish or punish on block with relatively big damage (depends on what you want to do). Check the combo thread (I will revamp it soon, but its a good primer on where to start). Spacing is also of utmost importance with superman. You live and die by the sword. If superman whiffs, he will eat a full combo that could cost him a lot.
you need to threaten him with being able to do it off of a lot of strings. Some cross up, some don't. Turn the reset into a 50/50. They have to guess how to block. Which ones are you using? and are you predictable with them? sometimes not dive punching is better than doing it. In certain circumstances the guaranteed damage and advantageous positioning is better than the risk of getting dive punch blocked and being punished for it.
it becomes very read dependent here because you are at neutral. Superman is not very rushdown oriented anymore IMO without taking HUGE risks. I wouldn't use heat zap often (unless its a new player) the startup is too slow and you can get poked or special moved out of it (not worth the +19 on block). F3 is very slow but at least you are relatively plus so you can go for a setup or try to continue pressure (block strings build meter so they are not necessarily completely worthless). TLDR: it depends on the char you are playing. Backdashing is a no-no for example against Killer Frost because her slide will beat you and you're in the vortex. I wish there was a simple answer. Maybe someone more articulate or experienced than me can answer.
I'm not anymore experienced but this ^^^ is the way it is for me. I just switch it up to see the reaction from my opponent. I will do f23, d1, f23xxbreath(can be poked) if the poke next time f23xxbreath and just see the reaction. F23, d1xxbreath ect..... There is a lot of options but you won't know really what to do until your in front of you opponent and trying to get a read on them.
I don't usually use f23 breath because I learned that I get punished more often than not for using it. I usually do 1,1 after though.
If you use f23xxbreath on block u are ok if you don't maintain pressure. 11 has no range and the 1st hit is a high so you can be punish for that. F23 IMO is still your best in terms of pressure, its just not continuous pressure anymore. Patients!
Absolutely. This is why you do not want to f23 carelessly.
You are minus on block. The main reason you can get away with it is bc people usually expect the breath follow up.
It actually sounds like you know all of your options. What i would recommend is to play patiently. What i do a lot is i try to punish with F23 ect.... off there dash in or a whiffed attack but if it is blocked i will just do a block confirm f23~breath which is safe and then go back to playing footsies and just go try to out playing my opponent. Being patient is key.
You can't frame trap if you're - on block.
Can you do F23~trait, ect.. as a frame trap? i dont really use it but i thought that what he was referring to.
So you pretty much just wait for an empty jump or a whiff? You don't do any lasers? :O
So does f2 into trait. Although you can be poked out of it but its very strict.
I knew I forgot one. It's effective bc it's unexpected. Unless you get in a pattern. They will still be blocking so f2~trait into throw is good. Once they wanna tech you're in business to open them up
Oh , he lasers don't worry lol.
