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Tekken 8 Post-Release Discussion Thread

NoCharge

Apprentice
Not a fan of this game, but I feel bad for the players. Also waiting for the next big tourney to see all the bugs and ridiculousness in action lol
 

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
Not a fan of this game, but I feel bad for the players. Also waiting for the next big tourney to see all the bugs and ridiculousness in action lol
The sad part is that this would easily be the most tekken game of all times, but it's plagged by dev vision of opression which they confuse with aggression and overusage of heat and plus on block moves that leads to unavoidable situations.
 

Marinjuana

Up rock incoming, ETA 5 minutes
bro read the room lmao
Call it like I see it! People saying that even casuals are angry about the game's massive patch and offensive meta? Not buying it!

And like the dev blocked this player on Twitter boo hoo.. some people acting like there should be a go fund me for all the Tekken players who need therapy for their post traumatic patch syndrome :joker:
 
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Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Please stop appealing to authority and conduct your own research.

Again, please, please, please stop falling for the sensationalism on social media.
Not sure if this was directed at me, don’t think it was, but if for some reason it was, I was just linking to what Knee said. I agree that too many people take what top/pro players say as fact oppose to just their opinions. Like, of course their opinions have more credibility than most ppl’s because you know they have a bunch of experience playing the game at high levels, but they can be wrong just like anyone else. And you also can disagree with them.
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
Call it like I see it! People saying that even casuals are angry about the game's massive patch and offensive meta? Not buying it!
Just open something like Reddit for 5 seconds and you'll see even Red Rank noobs are super angry about the patch. No one is happy, Steam numbers have tanked since the patch launch spike, Evo Japan has less than 1k. Literally no one is happy lol.

And like the dev blocked this player on Twitter boo hoo.. some people acting like there should be a go fund me for all the Tekken players who need therapy for their post traumatic patch syndrome :joker:
Devs have been much worse than you realize. Harada went ghost. Murray was going on Reddit, opening threads, seeing if the person had a Twitter account, and blocking them when the person had never spoken to him on Twitter before. This was confirmed multiple times. He also blocked streamers on Twitter from saying even things like "we should all treat developers with respect but this patch is terrible" paraphrasing. Which reminds me.

He blocked MrsPlayStuff for this tweet above, got roasted for blocking her for that, and kept on blocking more people. And many others for similar tweets like this are blocked by him now. If there's anyone who should be going to therapy clearly it's these guys because they're as soft as a wet Kleenex.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Also the Heihachi Tekken 5 DR example doesn't show anything super damaging at all, just saying.
The stomp is unscaled and guaranteed after f+4 in wall combos. This sequence alone does like 40% of damage. While Heihachi did not have the best wall carry, he could dish out 75-80% of damage.

If you are old enough, you will recall that Knee made a name for himself in Tekken 5: DR, the game with "simple and short, low-damaging combos from the past". LOL.

I do agree with you that this patch has introduced some unacceptable bugs and glitches. However, calling the game "basically unplayable" is ludicrous.

Besides, I fail to understand why the year-one Mortal Kombat 1 apologists and defenders have come out of the woodwork.

By your own admission, none of you play Tekken 8, or have not for a while.

Does Namco also not deserve at least a year to fix this patch?
 

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
The stomp is unscaled and guaranteed after f+4 in wall combos. This sequence alone does like 40% of damage. While Heihachi did not have the best wall carry, he could dish out 75-80% of damage.

If you are old enough, you will recall that Knee made a name for himself in Tekken 5: DR, the game with "simple and short, low-damaging combos from the past". LOL.

I do agree with you that this patch has introduced some unacceptable bugs and glitches. However, calling the game "basically unplayable" is ludicrous.

Besides, I fail to understand why the year-one Mortal Kombat 1 apologists and defenders have come out of the woodwork.

By your own admission, none of you play Tekken 8, or have not for a while.

Does Namco also not deserve at least a year to fix this patch?
I played Tekken games since Tekken 3, but I never followed the competitive scene of Tekken. That said I know that Knee is a longtime Tekken player. And I also know that your Knee point is mute. Like I said, Tekken had high damage combos and one-touch-kill moves in the past, but not to that insane degree that T8 has now.

And the reason I bring MK1 is because that you and the rest of the MK1 bashers claimed MK1 was buggy and rushed at launch, when I myself found that not only any bug that MK1 was only overexaggerated by you and the rest of them, but T8 and also SF6, even at launch, had even more and bigger bugs at their launch, including SF6 having the input system bug at launch that the SF6 fanboys tried to sweep under the rug to keep the narrative that "SF6 is perfect" going, just like T8 has it now. MK1 never had this bug, or any other bug that was that problematic or higher than that, not at launch and not since then.

And no, T8 doesn't deserve any significant amount of time to fix these bugs, or change the offense-defense balance, let alone a year. Because Bamco have promised their playerbase that they will buff defense and will make the game more balanced towards defense, and yes they did buffed a couple of defensive elements, but not before they also buffed the offense in the game across the board to insane levels that even the most Rushdown-oriented games ever didn't have to the point that these defense buffs didn't matter. So technically they didn't lie about buffing defense, but still lied in that making the game overall more defensive.

Add the fact that T8 had so many other issues at launch, from the bugs that I mentioned earlier, to the quantity, quality and replay value of the single player content, and even missing competitive features like online practice for the first 8 months of the game (and that goes back to MK1, as people claimed MK1 was missing competitive features while T8 also had them missing, and unlike MK1, T8 actually needed them way more), you can't just give Bamco that much time to fix anything. NRS/WB always fixed any decently big issue found in all of their games, including MK1, in about a month at worst. Giving T8 a year while this is year 2 for them is objectively unfair and biased.

And going back to the bugs topic, the MK1 bashers claimed that MK1 had a "player 1 advantage" bug, except it didn't, as it only affected 6 out of the 23 chars at the game's launch roster, only just 1 move from each of them and it really only affected only one combo for each of them. And even out of these 6, only for 3 of them (Sub-Zero, Kitana and Nitara) people actually bothered to show that bug, but the other 3 they didn't even show how the bug affected them. Unlike MK9 that had a true player 1 advantage bug, or MK Armageddon that had a player 2 advantage bug, MK1's case was not even char specific bug, but a move specific bug.

But you know which game does have a true player 1 advantage bug? Tekken 8, and just like the FGC tried to sweep any bugs for SF6 to keep it's narrative going, the FGC did the same for T8 for the first two months of it, but this bug was not only in T8 since launch, but it was in tons of other Tekken games, even since Tekken Tag 1 in fact.

Main Man SWE shows this bug just less than a month after T8's release, and even acknowledges what the MK1 bashers said about MK1 in that same regard. I know that MMS also has his own issues when it comes to trust, but at least in this case he shows true honesty and integrity, something that the MK1 bashers know nothing about.

 
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LEGEND

YES!
I swear @Roy Arkon is a clone of @MKF30. Speaking of which, MKF30 hasn’t posted since June of 2020, the Covid year. Hopefully the crazy lad is doing alright wherever he is..
Really random cause idk who that is but I just saw a highlighted comment on one of Shujinkydink's videos by that exact tag, MKF30

Crazy cause I don't usually watch much MK1 on YouTube or look at comments.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Really random cause idk who that is but I just saw a highlighted comment on one of Shujinkydink's videos by that exact tag, MKF30

Crazy cause I don't usually watch much MK1 on YouTube or look at comments.
Was it a recent comment? He used to be apart of the MK community since before MK9. In the forums, he would always post essays as responses. He also was an aspiring VA and had, or could at least imitate, a really deep voice. Anyway, he was an MK fanatic, which I think that’s what the “MKF” actually stood for. So it’s surprising he hasn’t been around in so long.
 

LEGEND

YES!
Was it a recent comment? He used to be apart of the MK community since before MK9. In the forums, he would always post essays as responses. He also was an aspiring VA and had, or could at least imitate, a really deep voice. Anyway, he was an MK fanatic, which I think that’s what the “MKF” actually stood for. So it’s surprising he hasn’t been around in so long.
Yeah, I just tried to take a screenshot but it's too large for the site.

8 hours old comment on a video uploaded yesterday.
 

exflyingbooty

This dream has a sad ending
Naw.

PhiDX is a very good player.

But he is still playing and talking about Tekken 8? I thought that he was taking a break?

So, I would whisper "hypocrite" in his ear.
Considering the vast majority of mk/injustice players who have done that, no you really shouldn't lol
 

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
Considering the vast majority of mk/injustice players who have done that, no you really shouldn't lol
Yeah, M2Dave tries to paint Tekken players as the worst, but no, it's MK players that are the worst. The level of hypocrisy and double standard in pretty much every whim or parroted bandwagon line they say is beyond pathetic. Yes Tekken players are starting to show signs of similarities of that mentality too, but MK interent players are still the worst, which is a bad thing.

If M2Dave is gonna call PhiDX a hypocrite while he himself kept playing and buying MK games since the 3D era and still bitching about them nonstop, it will be a civil war of hypocrite callings with tons of causalities and deaths of personalities on social media.

I've been in many battles on the internet both regarding MK and other stuff, and I know FOR A FACT that this war won't end well.
 

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
Was it a recent comment? He used to be apart of the MK community since before MK9. In the forums, he would always post essays as responses. He also was an aspiring VA and had, or could at least imitate, a really deep voice. Anyway, he was an MK fanatic, which I think that’s what the “MKF” actually stood for. So it’s surprising he hasn’t been around in so long.
MKF30 was a great Quan Chi

I had him voice over every character i'm going to code in MK mugen, i still have the files
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
@M2Dave Will watch this convo, lean in close to PhiDX's ear, and whisper, "Skill issue."

@SaltShaker Have you seen this?

Watched it, great discussion. I couldn't break it down in full detail better than they did if I tried. My favorite part is when they broke down why increasing the power levels was not the right move for this game and massively limits the gameplay options and neutral in S2. :coffee:
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
So you didn't watch the discussion, huh?
No, and I am not going to because I already know what PhiDX thinks of high power levels.

While I vehemently disagree with PhiDX about fighting game design and philosophy, I am becoming concerned about his safety...

Yeah, M2Dave tries to paint Tekken players as the worst, but no, it's MK players that are the worst.
Are Mortal Kombat players issuing violent innuendos and death threats to people who are perceived to be accountable for a patch?


Communal suicide... virulence... derangement... are a couple of words that come to mind.

The Tekken community cannot survive in its current state.
 

Marinjuana

Up rock incoming, ETA 5 minutes
Just open something like Reddit for 5 seconds and you'll see even Red Rank noobs are super angry about the patch. No one is happy, Steam numbers have tanked since the patch launch spike, Evo Japan has less than 1k. Literally no one is happy lol.



Devs have been much worse than you realize. Harada went ghost. Murray was going on Reddit, opening threads, seeing if the person had a Twitter account, and blocking them when the person had never spoken to him on Twitter before. This was confirmed multiple times. He also blocked streamers on Twitter from saying even things like "we should all treat developers with respect but this patch is terrible" paraphrasing. Which reminds me.

He blocked MrsPlayStuff for this tweet above, got roasted for blocking her for that, and kept on blocking more people. And many others for similar tweets like this are blocked by him now. If there's anyone who should be going to therapy clearly it's these guys because they're as soft as a wet Kleenex.
Yeah that's what I'm saying about the whining, these low rank casuals aren't playing the game at that level they are just joining the complaint party, typical reddit tbh
 

PrinceGoro

Apprentice
KNEE's season 2 Lars in a nutshell

These knee videos reminde me of when harada was explaining the heat system and he said, i usually dont play king and he has so many moves and throws to remember and i cant play him but with the heat system i can focus on a very few moves and play him effectively and its fun.

This didnt age well at all, and its hilarious to see knee spam pretty much exclusively the new moves and be effective with the characters, reducing them in such a way.
 

Vulgar

Warrior
No, and I am not going to because I already know what PhiDX thinks of high power levels.

While I vehemently disagree with PhiDX about fighting game design and philosophy, I am becoming concerned about his safety...



Are Mortal Kombat players issuing violent innuendos and death threats to people who are perceived to be accountable for a patch?


Communal suicide... virulence... derangement... are a couple of words that come to mind.

The Tekken community cannot survive in its current state.
I think his takes in the convo are a little more nuanced than, "high power levels bad."

More importantly, when pros are unhappy, casuals are unhappy, AND steam numbers are plummeting; it's a bad sign.

Even Maximilian Dood, a generally positive FGC content creator that's even said positive things about MK1 recently, hasn't had much to say good about Season 2.

Do you REALLY believe ALL of these people are wrong and only you are right?

Come on, now.

You're committed to the bit, at least.