These are the exact examples of the people I was talking about lol. The "make everyone broken" arguments some people threw out in early MK1 days when the game was being upgraded/improved and those "even this stupid Cyrax Chopper shouldn't have been nerfed, just buff everything to it's level". @Juggs you may have missed it, but I guarantee that argument was thrown around on this forum and on some online vids lol.
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I actually forgot you said that but now I remember you were saying something similar too, I think during the Cyrax or Stryker era can't remember which one. Exactly lol imagine how lame the game would have been if we had a bunch of that gameplay all this time.
Well said
I think each franchise has its own legacy. You can look no further than how many people like MKX, a game that plays absolutely nothing like Street Fighter or Tekken.
Actually that's not true, MK was heavily offense-based only in some very specific games, but others not. Original MK1, MK2, MKDA, MKD, MKA and MK9 were all very neutral-heavy games, and MK11 was basically an updated version of MK2. Even MK4, while having the run mechanic, was more of a poke-heavy hit and run game than a Rushdown-oriented one. Only MK3 and it's iterations (UMK3 and MKT), MK Vs. DC and MKX were very heavy on offense. And as for MK1, even though it is more offense-based than MK11, it is not as offense-based as MKX or even MK9.
Tom brady used to ask to make everyone broken in Mk1, remember?
This patch is a disaster
moves are tracking so hard they might as well switch to 2d
And some are saying honeymoon phase it's over.
The primary issue with pre-patch Cyrax was the fact that you were unable to prevent the Cyrax team from building meter. Many players agree that the old helicopter would not dominate the game like before. In fact, when NRS unintentionally reverted the helicopter to half a kameo bar at one point, Cyrax remained overshadowed by other kameos.
The improved side step is conspicuous. As are the reductions to certain chip damage sequences.
I agree with you about the hypocrisy of the Mortal Kombat fanbase.
The mistake is comparing MK games to each other, rather than to the other series listed. There’s no way you can compare the most dominant MK9 characters like Kabal and Cyrax to Street Fighter and say that MK9 was not a comparatively offense-heavy meta. It was.
Except that this is a meta of just one while ignoring the rest of the roster and only focusing on the top tier. Also you forget that MK9 Kenshi, a keep-away char, was top 2 and part of the meta also, and Kabal, the top 1, was also an excellent Zoner on top of being an excellent Rushdowner. MK9 might have been more offense-focused compared to SF, but compared to MKX or even UMK3, MK9 was way more neutral-heavy. And then you bring up the other MK games like MK2 or MK11, then you see that there are more neutral-focused games in MK vs. offense based, both compared to each other and compared to other IP's.
No I do not. But MK and Tekken are far different FG franchises, just as MK1 and T8 are far different FG’s. Back when @Tom Brady may have said this, I assume it was back when MK1 wasn’t in the greatest of states balance wise or just overall gameplay wise. So, I’d imagine if he did indeed ask for this then, he figured that there was no saving the game. So making everyone broken would at least make the game more fun to play and watch.
Neutral is not a style of offense or defense. It’s a style of movement. Games can be offense-heavy or defense-heavy with similar neutral, depending on the tools given to the characters.
Ok but then how about other MK games like MK2 or more recent ones like MK11? And since the main topic here is Tekken 8, how does this compared to MK1 in terms of offense?
i dont really know much about tekken yet, but i feel recoverable health is not a problem. especially as lifebars can be emptied so quickly. its actually a rather cool mechanic that adds strategical depth. from what i understand, people are mainly upset about the easily activated heat mechanic that leads into easy plusframes into easy devastating mixups and oki. it can be first-touch steamroll gameplay which is apparently the exact opposite of what people loved older tekken for. you can still see the very methodical "trade blow-for-blow and read your opponent" design of the legacy strings outside heat in the frame data.
You basically answered your own question there. if life bars can be emptied this quickly, that's the logic of why adding the recoverable health is there, as the devs believe that this will balance things out, except that it only makes the game even more offense-based. MKX didn't allow that, because all the offense and chip damage in that compared to T8, especially after this season 2 patch, was actually perfectly fine. There's barely any methodical gameplay in T8, MKX even after it's last patch was more methodical than T8 in it's current state. And once again, MK1 and MK11 both toning down the chip damage vs. T8 now making chip damage a main mechanic (I say that since in previous Tekken games you could've add chip damage in the options section, it's just that now it's on by default and you can't turn it off) on top a grey health system is simply absurd.