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thebus99

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Are there any matchup tips versus Jade? I very rarely lose to her but I know for a fact its a losing Matchup because I need to play like a psycho just to win like being patient does not work at all. but still I feel this character I cannot just wash
 
Are there any matchup tips versus Jade? I very rarely lose to her but I know for a fact its a losing Matchup because I need to play like a psycho just to win like being patient does not work at all. but still I feel this character I cannot just wash
Jade players tend to overestimate the time they've got that projectile armour, so I simply wait and once I know its about to where off, I catch them off guard throwing projectiles.

Apart from that when I get a decent enough life lead I subside to the corner and simply dodge/block her projectiles. It is soon clear that they'll have to approach me to get any sort of damage and Jade players tend to make mistakes then.
 

thebus99

Noob
Jade players tend to overestimate the time they've got that projectile armour, so I simply wait and once I know its about to where off, I catch them off guard throwing projectiles.

Apart from that when I get a decent enough life lead I subside to the corner and simply dodge/block her projectiles. It is soon clear that they'll have to approach me to get any sort of damage and Jade players tend to make mistakes then.
Jade players tend to overestimate the time they've got that projectile armour, so I simply wait and once I know its about to where off, I catch them off guard throwing projectiles.

Apart from that when I get a decent enough life lead I subside to the corner and simply dodge/block her projectiles. It is soon clear that they'll have to approach me to get any sort of damage and Jade players tend to make mistakes then.
right right its just a struggle playing vs her really i really just go balls the wall
 

karaokelove

Dead or alive, you’re coming with me.
Premium Supporter
What can SZ do against Clean Cut Kabal? I can’t find an answer to Air Downward Buzzsaw.
 

SubZeroIce

Runway
Are there any matchup tips versus Jade? I very rarely lose to her but I know for a fact its a losing Matchup because I need to play like a psycho just to win like being patient does not work at all. but still I feel this character I cannot just wash
Yeah, honestly, maniac play is the best bet. We can punish glow with slide on reaction so as soon as you see her put it up, hit the slide.

I play thin ice, and it's tough cause her jump air rang is too high to trade on the ice ball ever. I hate that character. No reason for her to have glow AND 4 projectiles lmao.
 

thebus99

Noob
Yeah, honestly, maniac play is the best bet. We can punish glow with slide on reaction so as soon as you see her put it up, hit the slide.

I play thin ice, and it's tough cause her jump air rang is too high to trade on the ice ball ever. I hate that character. No reason for her to have glow AND 4 projectiles lmao.
Yeah its pretty crazy we need to force f4s down her throat and just keep trying to get in lol play neutral and footsies doesnt exist lmao all my fundamentals go out the window vs jades. And they'll swear up and down sub vs jade is an even matchup lmaoooo, sike.
 

thebus99

Noob
I usually play Dead Of Winter but trying to learn all the integral parts of Thin Ice because it really does make some MU's a lot easier, the main thing I need to learn is using Slide WHILE in the crouching position without standing back up does anybody know how to do it?
 

RM Ree

Shiba Tamer
Premium Supporter
I usually play Dead Of Winter but trying to learn all the integral parts of Thin Ice because it really does make some MU's a lot easier, the main thing I need to learn is using Slide WHILE in the crouching position without standing back up does anybody know how to do it?
Yee. Make sure input shortcuts are ON. Hold crouch, roll to d/b then d/f. Probably the most useful tech he has.
 

thebus99

Noob
Yee. Make sure input shortcuts are ON. Hold crouch, roll to d/b then d/f. Probably the most useful tech he has.
Ok thank you gonna have to practice this because my Dead Of Winter is pretty raw(Elder God) and wanna learn thin ice to make MU's easier and pretty much this is essential to know how to do to be worth it. ill practice it and i appreciate all your videos of exposing characters and to beat them, keep em coming lol
 

Espio

Revered By Tarkata
Lead Moderator
Yeah, honestly, maniac play is the best bet. We can punish glow with slide on reaction so as soon as you see her put it up, hit the slide.

I play thin ice, and it's tough cause her jump air rang is too high to trade on the ice ball ever. I hate that character. No reason for her to have glow AND 4 projectiles lmao.
Based on your experience that certainly does not work on good Jade players, the goal should be viable tactics to help sub players win not ways to get them killed quicker cause good Jades put scrubby play to bed quick. The only part I agree on is slide because that alone makes going for glow risky because of how long recovery is, the speed of slide and distance it covers, it's not a flow chart means to deal with Sub's ice balls. Sub can also punish spark at some ranges, outright goes under straight glaive and why does he care about anti-air glaive again? Her air downward glaive is the only real concerning projectile versus this character. Braindead plays the match up optimally, I haven't seen any other Sub do as such. I am terrified of a Sub that understands the importance of intelligent slides, utilizing his good forward advancing movement, making glaives whiff with slide and punishing, punishing a lot of her staff normals with slide and getting your Krushing blow loaded off of every single one. Sub has good buttons to contend and before you reply with "some of them are high" Jade's back 2 is high and boys be running into it and complaining about it so what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I'm not impressed because aside from Braindead I haven't seen a single Sub play with the poise that has me checking for them and showing a mu that is not dismal as advertised.
 

thebus99

Noob
Based on your experience that certainly does not work on good Jade players, the goal should be viable tactics to help sub players win not ways to get them killed quicker cause good Jades put scrubby play to bed quick. The only part I agree on is slide because that alone makes going for glow risky because of how long recovery is, the speed of slide and distance it covers, it's not a flow chart means to deal with Sub's ice balls. Sub can also punish spark at some ranges, outright goes under straight glaive and why does he care about anti-air glaive again? Her air downward glaive is the only real concerning projectile versus this character. Braindead plays the match up optimally, I haven't seen any other Sub do as such. I am terrified of a Sub that understands the importance of intelligent slides, utilizing his good forward advancing movement, making glaives whiff with slide and punishing, punishing a lot of her staff normals with slide and getting your Krushing blow loaded off of every single one. Sub has good buttons to contend and before you reply with "some of them are high" Jade's back 2 is high and boys be running into it and complaining about it so what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I'm not impressed because aside from Braindead I haven't seen a single Sub play with the poise that has me checking for them and showing a mu that is not dismal as advertised.
Yeah you haven't played My sub and I use dead of winter, theres no playing patient when using DoW vs jade you need to get in and stay in the whole time. Hence I think Thin Ice can be played a little more patient and differently which is why im trying to learn that one.
 

thebus99

Noob
Yeah you haven't played My sub and I use dead of winter, theres no playing patient when using DoW vs jade you need to get in and stay in the whole time. Hence I think Thin Ice can be played a little more patient and differently which is why im trying to learn that one.
Fyi Maniac play is very viable actually