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Creepy00

Creepy00

Kombatant
I brought this up a while ago. It is something that got affected by the RC Bug from last patch unfortunately. It used to work against everyone before the patch.
 
21122

21122

Kombatant
As an Erron only main since the games release, I have finally decided to pickup a secondary character. I used to use Sub Zero in MK9 so thought I would choose him.

As someone new to Sub Zero, which variation should I choose?

Thanks!
 
RM Ree

RM Ree

Shiba Tamer
He doesn't translate well from Erron Black's rush down style. Fundamentally, Grandmaster is a trap based, zone control type, Cryomancer is a neutral-heavy, hard punish character, and Unbreakable is a defensive variation desperately trying to be rush down. Hopefully one of those will appeal to you and you can start there!
 
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Samsara

Samsara

Resident Cynic
Ree301 said:
He doesn't translate well from Erron Black's rush down style. Fundamentally, Grandmaster is a trap based, zone control type, Cryomancer is a neutral-heavy, hard punish character, and Unbreakable is a defensive variation desperately trying to be rush down. Hopefully one of those will appeal to you and you can start there!
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Lol you sold Unbreakable better than I ever could
 
RM Ree

RM Ree

Shiba Tamer
Go with Grandmaster, the learning curve is more forgiving. The opponent will often hang themselves and you can advance at your own pace behind ice clones. You're often presented with openings you didn't intend to create on top of the ones you did. Cryo is more rewarding when you have a solid understanding of the character and relies on creating ambiguous opportunities and maintaining momentum.
 
21122

21122

Kombatant
Hey, are there any sub zero players that are on the Ps4 that would like to play? New to sub zero so it would help out a lot in learning him!
 
RM Ree

RM Ree

Shiba Tamer
For anyone who didn't know, b4 sweeps are universally throw immune (Cryo hammer too) and SZ's low profiles pretty well. Could be good for certain MU's, for example the Kano boards were complaining about this.
 
zoofs

zoofs

bless
themilkman014 said:
The reason B2 RC B12 and B2 RC 123xxBF4 are so hard to execute now is because of character height. Any character smaller than Kotal Kahn, Jason, Goro, or Ermac is immune to this run combo. It is incredibly difficult to perform on any other character. Video soon.

@Ree301 @zoofs can you confirm this as well. It only seems to work consistently on those four characters
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yeah this is also because of the recent removal of option selects, I guess it made it so you can't buffer run as fast anymore so you need to be more precise execution wise
 
HuttonMD

HuttonMD

ADM Riddles
I never knew ex clone had armor until I saw Corey the dragon use it at absolute battles. Why Dont more ppl use ex clone as a counter poke or to punish gaps?

Is there something that makes this not a good option because I never see ppl use it
 
Samsara

Samsara

Resident Cynic
HuttonMD said:
I never knew ex clone had armor until I saw Corey the dragon use it at absolute battles. Why Dont more ppl use ex clone as a counter poke or to punish gaps?

Is there something that makes this not a good option because I never see ppl use it
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Ex clone was more or less inconsistent before the major patch, there were times when I'd go to use and it either wouldn't come out at all or I'd get a normal cone instead. Beyond this, if I ever really wanted a move to punish string gaps I favored Unbreakable parry over ex clone. As it stands now, ex clone is an excellent tool to use on block and leads to 35-37% damage at midscreen, which is really decent.
 
HuttonMD

HuttonMD

ADM Riddles
themilkman014 said:
Ex clone was more or less inconsistent before the major patch, there were times when I'd go to use and it either wouldn't come out at all or I'd get a normal cone instead. Beyond this, if I ever really wanted a move to punish string gaps I favored Unbreakable parry over ex clone. As it stands now, ex clone is an excellent tool to use on block and leads to 35-37% damage at midscreen, which is really decent.
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So its better to use it after throwing something unsafe out on block and catch them when they try to punish? Or do you mean use it as just a way to end a string?
 
Samsara

Samsara

Resident Cynic
HuttonMD said:
So its better to use it after throwing something unsafe out on block and catch them when they try to punish? Or do you mean use it as just a way to end a string?
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Take B12 for example, you could cancel into ex clone on hit or on block and on hit you get 35-37% and if they block it they cannot punish you.
 
HuttonMD

HuttonMD

ADM Riddles
themilkman014 said:
Take B12 for example, you could cancel into ex clone on hit or on block and on hit you get 35-37% and if they block it they cannot punish you.
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Ok that makes sense you probably get more damage that way instead of just a raw exclone.

I Dont play the character I just saw it had armor and didn't know why ppl didn't use it more often
 
Samsara

Samsara

Resident Cynic
HuttonMD said:
Ok that makes sense you probably get more damage that way instead of just a raw exclone.

I Dont play the character I just saw it had armor and didn't know why ppl didn't use it more often
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Raw ex clone isn't a bad way to exploit aggressive opponents, but you don't want to spend meter on a trap that's not sure to spring. You want to use it as a baiting tool--- not as a reactionary tool
 
champdee

champdee

Apprentice
themilkman014 said:
Ex clone was more or less inconsistent before the major patch, there were times when I'd go to use and it either wouldn't come out at all or I'd get a normal cone instead. Beyond this, if I ever really wanted a move to punish string gaps I favored Unbreakable parry over ex clone. As it stands now, ex clone is an excellent tool to use on block and leads to 35-37% damage at midscreen, which is really decent.
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What's the combo?
 
zoofs

zoofs

bless
HuttonMD said:
I never knew ex clone had armor until I saw Corey the dragon use it at absolute battles. Why Dont more ppl use ex clone as a counter poke or to punish gaps?

Is there something that makes this not a good option because I never see ppl use it
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it is a good option and a really good tool in general, one perfect example is that you can actually blow up goro doing poke into reg punchwalk with ex clone.
 
Samsara

Samsara

Resident Cynic
zoofs said:
it is a good option and a really good tool in general, one perfect example is that you can actually blow up goro doing poke into reg punchwalk with ex clone.
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Do you know if anyone put together a list of practical string gaps to exploit with ex clone? Could be useful. I'll spend time in the lab this weekend since I'm done with classes, but I feel we could take the clone meta a little further.
 
zoofs

zoofs

bless
themilkman014 said:
Do you know if anyone put together a list of practical string gaps to exploit with ex clone? Could be useful. I'll spend time in the lab this weekend since I'm done with classes, but I feel we could take the clone meta a little further.
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I wanted to do one but it just seems like it'll take a super long time lol
 
HuttonMD

HuttonMD

ADM Riddles
themilkman014 said:
Do you know if anyone put together a list of practical string gaps to exploit with ex clone? Could be useful. I'll spend time in the lab this weekend since I'm done with classes, but I feel we could take the clone meta a little further.
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I know it works for the gap in Cassie's b124 string that's the first one I tried after seeing it had armor
 
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