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JaredL

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Shazam is a character that suffers in an online atmosphere. Of course hes bad! I'm really loving this character. Hes the only character I use that I feel has potential to beat everything character as long as I make the correct reads. Hes very rewarding if you're a thinking type of player.
I'd hardly call 50/50s a thinking mans character. Bane is a thinking mans character.

Taking bets is luck.
 

Sao87

@thedigitaldojo
I'd hardly call 50/50s a thinking mans character. Bane is a thinking mans character.

Taking bets is luck.
His throws arent true 50/50s off 22 because enemy can backdash both options. Thats where more of his mindgames come into play. He snowballs when you make good reads and his pressure ends when you dont.
 

JaredL

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His throws arent true 50/50s off 22 because enemy can backdash both options. Thats where more of his mindgames come into play. He snowballs when you make good reads and his pressure ends when you dont.
Its more of a 33/33/33 except... the others mess up if you get the wrong one.

You can block low, you can block high or backdash
 

Sao87

@thedigitaldojo
Its more of a 33/33/33 except... the others mess up if you get the wrong one.

You can block low, you can block high or backdash
Mmhmm. Im a big fan of characters that reward you for correctly predicting your opponents next move with more pressure.
 

dust.

Noob
You guys must not have watched the video. It's a 50/50 because the Herculean Might will hit high block and Atlas Torpedo will hit low block + backdash.
 

JaredL

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It's the same thing..
Predicting involves a level of intelligence and control on the part of the guy doing the things, in truth, it all comes down to what your opponent does, and you have no way of knowing what they will do.
 

RYX

BIG PUSHER
Predicting involves a level of intelligence and control on the part of the guy doing the things, in truth, it all comes down to what your opponent does, and you have no way of knowing what they will do.
Conditioning though.
 

Sao87

@thedigitaldojo
Predicting involves a level of intelligence and control on the part of the guy doing the things, in truth, it all comes down to what your opponent does, and you have no way of knowing what they will do.
But here is the reality. I've only fought against one player locally that knows you can back dash the 22 to avoid both grab options. Once I saw that he knew how to counter the 50/50 grab mix up I started using 22 xx torpedo because I knew he would try to back dash the next time as well. Once my torpedo hit (based off prediction) the mind game was established. From here he surrendered to the idea of back dashing in favor of blocking high to avoid overhead torpedo or low command grab.
 

JaredL

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But here is the reality. I've only fought against one player locally that knows you can back dash the 22 to avoid both grab options. Once I saw that he knew how to counter the 50/50 grab mix up I started using 22 xx torpedo because I knew he would try to back dash the next time as well. Once my torpedo hit (based off prediction) the mind game was established. From here he surrendered to the idea of back dashing in favor of blocking high to avoid overhead torpedo or low command grab.
So neither of you are in control. Its a total guess in the end.

Complete chance does not mean intelligence.
 

Sao87

@thedigitaldojo
So neither of you are in control. Its a total guess in the end.

Complete chance does not mean intelligence.
Wow you're really trying hard. With your way of thinking prediction does not exist in fighting games. Unless you want to give me an example.
 

JaredL

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Wow you're really trying hard. With your way of thinking prediction does not exist in fighting games. Unless you want to give me an example.
You seem to think that you're the only one who can be creative, random and lucky. Your opponent can be lucky and read you just as well as you can. Its an equal battle of minds, and in the end, no one is the victor and all that's left is chance.
 

Sao87

@thedigitaldojo
You seem to think that you're the only one who can be creative, random and lucky. Your opponent can be lucky and read you just as well as you can. Its an equal battle of minds, and in the end, no one is the victor and all that's left is chance.
Gambling is a game of chance. Fighting games is fast paced chess. All I'm saying is Shazam is more rewarding than other characters. A win with him feels great because of reasons given (to me). Sorry you disagree. I know in your world everyone on this forum is retarded but you. I'm sure I will be hearing a lot about you in the competitive tournament scene.
 

JaredL

Aww shit <REDACTED DUE TO FEELINGS> its Shapzam
Gambling is a game of chance. Fighting games is fast paced chess. All I'm saying is Shazam is more rewarding than other characters. A win with him feels great because of reasons given (to me). Sorry you disagree. I know in your world everyone on this forum is retarded but you. I'm sure I will be hearing a lot about you in the competitive tournament scene.
I'm not sure where you're getting all this from. I'll just say this though, your post doesn't deserve the attention you clearly didn't put into reading mine.
 

Sao87

@thedigitaldojo
I'm not sure where you're getting all this from. I'll just say this though, your post doesn't deserve the attention you clearly didn't put into reading mine.
No I read it, I just disagree with most of it. I didn't ask for anyone to come in here and laugh at some of your posts. They were ignorant and people called you out on it.

This is the primary reason I would rather lurk than post on this site. I feel like most dip shits ruining this site are undeserving of my contributions. And thats mainly because even though 9/10 awesome people read what I have to say, acknowledge it and move on there is always that 1/10 person that has to turn everything into an argument. I don't have time to spend trying to prove to someone who refuses to comprehend what I am saying why I am right. I'd rather just spend the time getting better at the game.
 

JaredL

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No I read it, I just disagree with most of it. I didn't ask for anyone to come in here and laugh at some of your posts. They were ignorant and people called you out on it.

This is the primary reason I would rather lurk than post on this site. I feel like most dip shits ruining this site are undeserving of my contributions. And thats mainly because even though 9/10 awesome people read what I have to say, acknowledge it and move on there is always that 1/10 person that has to turn everything into an argument. I don't have time to spend trying to prove to someone who refuses to comprehend what I am saying why I am right. I'd rather just spend the time getting better at the game.
I disagree with you too, but then, I don't have an ego problem so I don't act like a huge dick about it.

But your problems are your own, and none of my business so I'll leave you to yourself.
 

JaredL

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You just don't understand it. -_-

It's not complete chance if you are aware of your opponent's tendencies in a given situation. That's where it becomes prediction.
But your opponent can know your tendencies too, unless you're fighting monkeys or something.