So, what truly is the WORST matchup in this game?

[MrProfDrPepper]

I am but unfortunately I live in Australia... I can't even get a good connection to people the next state over Would've loved to grind the MU out though.

Damn it I would have loved to fight you so that you could potentially prove me wrong, don't get me wrong I'm happy my secondary has a great match up, but I don't want it to be 8-2 or 9-1 great, I would love to be proven wrong, I just feel like an asshole right now picking lasher against ferra torr.

 

[Derptile]

GM Sub Zero vs Sun God or Blood God
GM Sub Zero vs Jason
A-list Johnny Cage vs Jason
Dragon's Fire Liu Kang vs Jason (probably worse than A-list cage)
Cybernetic Kano vs Jason
Dragon's Fire Liu Kang vs Kenshi
A-list vs Kenshi

Those are just some off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more.

 

[Gurpwnder]

A-list Johnny Cage vs Jason.

Wouldn't Fisticuffs do better against Jason because he can lock him down for large periods of time with Speedbag staggers?

Or does A-List's vastly superior F3 just overshadow that?

 

[Prinz]

From the replies of this thread seems like GM is 7-3 against everyone. Brady keeps quiet somewhere in a corner grinning evily.

 

[Jonnyboyy18]

You would think that it would be a good match up for balanced but alas it isn't, yeah I got specials that can go through the clone but they are also unsafe as fuck from that range, it isn't too hard to get balanced in the corner and keep him there. Especially since a well timed slide will get through my zoning, or hell, ex slide is a straight up get in free card.

That is true it really isn't the best matchup for kenshi but I feel like it is a fair matchup.

 

[Eldriken]

I don't see how Jason does better against Tanya than Goro. >_> Tanya, Johnny Cage, Liu Kang and Kitana straight up wreck Jason. I'm sure Goro has slightly more options than Jason.

 

[MK Led]

whats your tag?
what state are you from?

MK__Led, and WA.

 

[BunLantern]

Hmm, okay, I admit that I don't get this one. Can you help me understand why it's a bad match up?

I'm assuming Kobu Tanya.

Goro has a 6 frame D3 (and D1) so he can poke out of pressure as well as any other character (and better than most), and his punchwalk has multiple hits of armor, so she can't just try to armor break willy-nilly.

Yea sorry, I just assume we're always talking Kobu Tanya lol. But anyway this is copy and pasted from another thread with a similar topic, I changed it a ltitle.

"She does everything better than Goro, she out damages him, she builds meter faster and safer, she has the strongest air game, her 50/50 is 100 times better than Goro's shitty hard to implement unsafe low fireball 50/50, and of course her mobility blows Goro out of the water. The only thing I've found for Goro in this MU is that he can MB PW through her Rekka move. But if she reads that and blocks the PW you're back on defense and just wasted a very precious bar while she is free to gain meter and start her 50/50. Not to mention she completely controls the pace of the match and can wake up almost free."

Honestly, I've played that specific match up quite a bit and it's not just an uphill battle, it's an uphill battle while trying to carry a boulder.

 

[BunLantern]

I don't see how Jason does better against Tanya than Goro. >_> Tanya, Johnny Cage, Liu Kang and Kitana straight up wreck Jason. I'm sure Goro has slightly more options than Jason.

Can't speak for Jason because I don't play him but Tanya vs Goro isn't fun.

 

[Roko1985]

Tanya vs goro

Which variation? Vs KJ Tanya you can buffer Ex Punch Walk between the Special chains and if she delays it, you can armor trough. It is still bad. Goro has problems with zooning characters. HQT Predator vs Goro is 8-2!

 

[Eldriken]

Can't speak for Jason because I don't play him but Tanya vs Goro isn't fun.

Nor is Tanya vs Jason, so I feel you. It's fucking hopeless, lol.

 

[RelentlessOhio]

Goro was a bad ass there for a while. Knew that wasn't going to last lol.

 

[Espio]

I don't see how Jason does better against Tanya than Goro. >_> Tanya, Johnny Cage, Liu Kang and Kitana straight up wreck Jason. I'm sure Goro has slightly more options than Jason.

Well Goro can actually fight Cage, seems like everyone has more options versus Cage than Jason lol.


SD Cage, Liu Kang and Kitana are no worse than 4-6, most of which are 5-5 (I'll leave people to interpret which ones those are ).

 

[Eldriken]

Well Goro can actually fight Cage, seems like everyone has more options versus Cage than Jason lol.


SD Cage, Liu Kang and Kitana are no worse than 4-6, most of which are 5-5 (I'll leave people to interpret which ones those are ).

If I go to pick Jason and the person I'm playing against picks Cage (any variation, duh), I go right to Tremor. Cage can just d4 me the entire time and there's absolutely fuck all I can do about it. -_-

Cage's low profiling against Jason is equivalent to Grundy's grab immune problems in Injustice.

 

[Asodimazze]

Yea sorry, I just assume we're always talking Kobu Tanya lol. But anyway this is copy and pasted from another thread with a similar topic, I changed it a ltitle.

"She does everything better than Goro, she out damages him, she builds meter faster and safer, she has the strongest air game, her 50/50 is 100 times better than Goro's shitty hard to implement unsafe low fireball 50/50, and of course her mobility blows Goro out of the water. The only thing I've found for Goro in this MU is that he can MB PW through her Rekka move. But if she reads that and blocks the PW you're back on defense and just wasted a very precious bar while she is free to gain meter and start her 50/50. Not to mention she completely controls the pace of the match and can wake up almost free."

Honestly, I've played that specific match up quite a bit and it's not just an uphill battle, it's an uphill battle while trying to carry a boulder.

There are tons of grab immune moves in this game too...every time I randomly whiff my grab when using Ferra/Torr, I curse NRS. It makes 0 sense and they will never fix it, NRS grapplers will always be doomed.

Also, some low profiling moves in this game need to be toned down a little and get a bigger hitbox. I use Cage and his d4 is great, but there is just no way to catch Liu Kang when he is doing d3, or Kano d4...or Cassie d3.
It just dumb that the characters simply vanish from screen when doing moves that one can't even block without thinking twice, since some of these grant advantage on block too.

 

[THTB]

I can't think of anything worse than Sun/Blood God vs GM other than High Tech vs GM.

 

[smokey]

There are tons of grab immune moves in this game too...every time I randomly whiff my grab when using Ferra/Torr, I curse NRS. It makes 0 sense and they will never fix it, NRS grapplers will always be doomed.

Also, some low profiling moves in this game need to be toned down a little and get a bigger hitbox. I use Cage and his d4 is great, but there is just no way to catch Liu Kang when he is doing d3, or Kano d4...or Cassie d3.
It just dumb that the characters simply vanish from screen when doing moves that one can't even block without thinking twice, since some of these grant advantage on block too.

Cage shadowkick is throw immune, on a dick hard read you can SKRC in someones face to punish a throw/command throw attempt.

 

[Pnut]

You saw those 600 threads every 2 days by every Kotal main on the planet? also Tempest Lao vs everyone

You don't see me complaining about sub zero.

 

[Enexemander]

Cage shadowkick is throw immune, on a dick hard read you can SKRC in someones face to punish a throw/command throw attempt.

Let's make this a thing.

Dizzy versus DJT, Grand finals - "Dizzy just used his shadowkick run cancel to get throw immune from Tremor's throw attempt!"-Mustard

"What a DICK HARD Read!"-Ketchup

 

[Zoidberg747]

Goro vs Tanya is the only answer to this thread. If a Tanya loses to a Goro they got severely outplayed.

Yea sorry, I just assume we're always talking Kobu Tanya lol. But anyway this is copy and pasted from another thread with a similar topic, I changed it a ltitle.

"She does everything better than Goro, she out damages him, she builds meter faster and safer, she has the strongest air game, her 50/50 is 100 times better than Goro's shitty hard to implement unsafe low fireball 50/50, and of course her mobility blows Goro out of the water. The only thing I've found for Goro in this MU is that he can MB PW through her Rekka move. But if she reads that and blocks the PW you're back on defense and just wasted a very precious bar while she is free to gain meter and start her 50/50. Not to mention she completely controls the pace of the match and can wake up almost free."

Honestly, I've played that specific match up quite a bit and it's not just an uphill battle, it's an uphill battle while trying to carry a boulder.

Her "50/50" is super unsafe if you are referring to wakeup 50/50. A good Tanya will do it maybe 2-3 times in a match. Its irrelevant when talking MU numbers.

As for Goro's options, you already pointed out EX PW. What you dont realize is that with most other characters, if I bait the armor move I get a free punish for a full combo, whereas with Goro I get pressure. Still good, but not as good. You are also ignoring the fact that EX PW is a launcher. Having the armored launcher as a threat is much better than having a knockdown armor move like other of her MUs have. Goro also has a 6f d1 which means he has the best chance to actually poke out of her pressure, especially if she is trying to frame trap with rekka 1. I also don't think she outdamages him in Kuatan Warrior when considering the OTG stuff, because that is what I usually play against. She beats him for sure but it isnt nearly as bad when you conisder the tools some other characters have to deal with her.

All I can say is if Goro Tanya is truly 7-3, then Jason and Kenshi must be 8-2. And I dont think there are any 8-2s in this game.

 

[ATP2014]

You don't see me complaining about sub zero.

That's because you play War God.

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[TackyHaddock]

wat

Lol. I actually misread your post on my phone. I thought you sarcastically wrote "Jason vs Jason is pretty ass for Jason"

Edit for philosophical clarification: had your hypothesis indeed been that the Jason mirror was proverbially "ass for Jason", this would have created a true paradox - my response implying that this matchup would be "9-1 in favor of Jason" was intended to elucidate this paradox.

 

[Israfel]

Summoner Vs. Kobu Jutsu

Kobu gets started and then all of a sudden the match is over

 

[Israfel]

Lol. I actually misread your post on my phone. I thought you sarcastically wrote "Jason vs Jason is pretty ass for Jason"

Edit for philosophical clarification: had your hypothesis indeed been that the Jason mirror was proverbially "ass for Jason", this would have created a true paradox - my response implying that this matchup would be "9-1 in favor of Jason" was intended to elucidate this paradox.

I feel smarter for reading this and comprehending so early in the morning.

 

[Pnut]

That's because you play War God.

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He generalized all kotals. And I think the mu isn't as bad as people think it is. You can play lame once you get the life lead. Probably only 4-6.