Question - Erron Black So erron black gets a free grab off every d3?

[JDM]

It does not combo. I've tried all of his tick strings without block and they do not string togeather.

except it does bruh

 

[Wigy]

I'm very very certain it doesn't. I can't double check right now, but I will, and I'll come straight back to this thread, right or wrong. Judging by what I know about the character, and others' replies above, I'm like 99% sure I'm right.

Well you're 100% wrong

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

This happens because the D3 on hit doesnt lead to free pressure because its +3 on hit. Some crouching pokes are more + on Block than his are on hit.

So your saying he needs it to be viable?

 

[Captain Oxygen]

So your saying he needs it to be viable?

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No when did I say that? I'm saying the trade off for the tick on hit is the fact it doesnt lead to pressure.
The people I play offline know that and poke back.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

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No when did I say that? I'm saying the trade off for the tick on hit is the fact it doesnt lead to pressure.
The people I play offline know that and poke back.

+3 doesn't lead to pressure? What is your fastest normal?

 

[Wigy]

People keep saying erron has no option after the d3, after a d3 you can d1 on hit thats +15 so u can go for a guaranteed mixup.

The fear of that will probably leave you blocked after any d3, not poking back or sitting low unblocked.

You can armour and poke and duck out on paper but thats guna be seriously tough and the risk reward is heavily weighted against you.

 

[MsMiharo]

People keep saying erron has no option after the d3, after a d3 you can d1 on hit thats +15 so u can go for a guaranteed mixup.

The fear of that will probably leave you blocked after any d3, not poking back or sitting low unblocked.

You can armour and poke and duck out on paper but thats guna be seriously tough and the risk reward is heavily weighted against you.

Just block until you see his throw animation then poke him. Unless he armors it you're gonna beat him out of it.

 

[wsj515]

Well you're 100% wrong

did you even read my second post, where I went in the lab and tested it out?

Considering you aren't willing to actually test things out in the lab, its clear this is a l2p issue.

 

[Wigy]

did you even read my second post, where I went in the lab and tested it out?

Just read it there just basically said what i said very long windedly.

The only way out is: to stand neutral unblocked after a poke on hit which is stupid
Or try poke out or armour out which can get blown up pretty bad

Im not saying there is no way around this, but there is a reason no character has this, its a broken mechanic in a fighting game.

 

[Crathen]

Just read it there just basically said what i said very long windedly.

The only way out is: to stand neutral unblocked after a poke on hit which is stupid
Or try poke out or armour out which can get blown up pretty bad

Or backdash or jump , there you go 5 different ways to get away from a 12 frame poke

 

[TrulyAmiracle]

Who the fuck uses EB's d3 anyway? That shit's ass..

 

[Wigy]

Or backdash or jump , there you go 5 different ways to get away from a 12 frame poke

i'm not talking about d3 over and over again. Also its 11frame.

He can d1 you after which limits your options as well.

This is a tool that can open up any character massively, and tip the risk/reward in his favour. There is a reason that tick grabs whiff on hit, there is meant to be a 50/50 risk reward trying to do one. Can be people stop saying neutral low unblock on hit after a poke cause thats just a stupid massively risky tactiv

 

[Crathen]

i'm not talking about d3 over and over again. Also its 11frame.

He can d1 you after which limits your options as well.

This is a tool that can open up any character massively, and tip the risk/reward in his favour. There is a reason that tick grabs whiff on hit, there is meant to be a 50/50 risk reward trying to do one. Can be people stop saying neutral low unblock on hit after a poke cause thats just a stupid massively risky tactiv

It's 12 frame impact , 11 startup.

So in your opinion a decent EB will use a raw i12 d3 the go for a d1?What's the point when he could've just do d1 and go for the advantage if it hits? Also if he did d3 on hit into d1 you could have backdashed or armor and nullify his check.

How is the risk reward in his favour when you compare a 13 to 19% Sand Trap that hits vs a correct jump read into Jump punch full combo , ok it creates a kinda hard to react situation but if i was playing vs an EB that did d3xxST i'd always take the guess and jump forward or armor after the d3 until he stops doing that because it wont work for him.

Whenever you'll realize his d3 is a gimmick on hit and block you will understand that this is all smoke and mirrors.