Match-up Discussion Smoke Match-Up Discussion Thread (2012 Post-EVO Update)

[GGA Wafflez]

Hey guys, a little late, but I finally got my MU chart for smoke down. After an entire season of Evo, playing with numerous top players, I have finally come to a conclusion with this MU chart. Feel free to rip it apart or discuss.

6-4 vs Baraka
6-4 vs Cyber Sub-Zero
5-5 vs H cyrax
6-4 vs Cyrax
6-4 vs Ermac
6-4 vs Freddy Krueger
7-3 vs Jade
4-6 vs Jax
4-6 vs Johnny Cage
3-7 vs Kabal
6-4 vs Kano
6-4 vs Kenshi
6-4 vs Kitana
4-6 vs Kung Lao
5-5 vs Liu Kang
6-4 vs Mileena
6-4 vs Nightwolf
7-3 vs Noob
6-4Quan Chi
5-5 vs Raiden
6-4 vs Rain
5-5 vs Reptile
6-4 vs Scorpion
6-4 vs Sektor
6-4 vs Shang Tsung
7-3 vs Sheeva
7-3 vs Sindel
5-5 vs Skarlet
5-5 vs Smoke
4-6 vs Sonya Blade
6-4 vs Stryker
7-3 vs Sub-Zero (edited from 6-4)

5 disadvantage MU's
21 advantage MU's

discuss.

 

[DanCock]

Wow 7-3 vs sindel???? How's that? 6-4 yes but 7-3, it's not that difficult of a match up for sindel.


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[FrothyOmen]

Lol at everyone blowing me up for having the same matchup chart. Good stuff based toilet wafflez.

 

[SZSR]

Yeah who did you fight for the Sindel MU? It's definitely in Smoke's favor but not that bad.

EDIT: Old MU Discussion:
http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/smoke-matchup-discussion-thread.6653/

 

[ForeverKing]

Hey guys, a little late, but I finally got my MU chart for smoke down. After an entire season of Evo, playing with numerous top players, I have finally come to a conclusion with this MU chart. Feel free to rip it apart or discuss.


6-4 vs Freddy Krueger

m2dave is going to disagree with you on this lmao

 

[Euphoric]

Delriach is a local Sindel player.

 

[BillStickers]

Seems a little too safe for my tastes (I'd like to see some dramatic 8-2 blowups), but you're a lot classier than I am :/

 

[GGA Wafflez]

m2dave is going to disagree with you on this lmao

@l2usenormals

 

[FrothyOmen]

subzerosmokerai I've stickied the thread. I'd like to suggest closing the other matchup thread and making this the new official one. Up to you though

 

[GGA Wafflez]

Yeah who did you fight for the Sindel MU? It's definitely in Smoke's favor but not that bad.

Delriach is a top sindel player... he was at evo and comes to gga. best i have played by far

 

[G4S Killin Natzees]

I think the Reptile and Liu MU are correct.

 

[NB Semi Evil Ryu]

6-4 vs Sub-Zero

I would have this at 7-3 Smoke's favor, if anything. Hell, Brady just recently listed this as 8-2 Smoke.

Is there anything major about Smoke that makes you believe 6-4?

 

[GGA Wafflez]

I think the Reptile and Liu MU are correct.

yep, both of those characters dont just rely on their GREAT zoning... especially lui... reptile can still abuse enhanced forceball as well

 

[SZSR]

subzerosmokerai I've stickied the thread. I'd like to suggest closing the other matchup thread and making this the new official one. Up to you though

I do think we need a new MU thread, but we should keep the old one for archival purposes. I'll unsticky the old one and close it, but I don't think i'll move it to the Netherrealm.

 

[Smarrgasm]

I think rain is closer to even but because of smokes damage i could see it being 6-4.

 

[GGA Wafflez]

I would have this at 7-3 Smoke's favor, if anything. Hell, Brady just recently listed this as 8-2 Smoke.

Is there anything major about Smoke that makes you believe 6-4?

you're right lol. this mu is baaaaad

 

[RiBBz22]

subzerosmokerai I've stickied the thread. I'd like to suggest closing the other matchup thread and making this the new official one. Up to you though

I agree, this MU chart should start at the top of the front page.

 

[FrothyOmen]

I do think we need a new MU thread, but we should keep the old one for archival purposes. I'll unsticky the old one and close it, but I don't think i'll move it to the Netherrealm.

Right, that's what I was getting at.

Delriach is absolutely the best Sindel I've played. I agree with that MU being 6-4, but I can see how it might be 7-3.

 

[G4S Killin Natzees]

yep, both of those characters dont just rely on their GREAT zoning... especially lui... reptile can still abuse enhanced forceball as well

I feel that the liu MU all relies on how lame the smoke can be lol. As long as smoke stays back and builds meter, shaking everything, it can be tough for liu, but if liu gets in its tough for smoke. Very similar to the Cage MU I think.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

good chart toilet Wafflez

may i offer some thought ?

Skarlet could be 6-4 her favor
i think noob 7-3 smoke

Any reason u have it 6-4?

 

[FrothyOmen]

good chart toilet Wafflez

may i offer some thought ?

Skarlet could be 6-4 her favor
i think noob 7-3 smoke

Any reason u have it 6-4?

I want to agree with this Skarlet number as well, but I have not played that matchup at a high enough level to be sure. I see where you are coming from with this.

 

[GGA Wafflez]

good chart toilet Wafflez

may i offer some thought ?

Skarlet could be 6-4 her favor
i think noob 7-3 smoke

Any reason u have it 6-4?

noob beats smoke on wakeup w/ shadow charge and his up knee makes it difficult to get in at times, but i can see it being 7-3 fasho.

skarlet i am not too sure on... his sb follows her dash and there is absolutely no reason to block low seeing that you can just smoke port out of her wakeup pressure and avoid more dash mixups

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I want to agree with this Skarlet number as well, but I have not played that matchup at a high enough level to be sure. I see where you are coming from with this.

dude one smoke bomb and EX DASH good night

im telling you young pubescent waffelz

Listen to me on this one

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

noob beats smoke on wakeup w/ shadow charge and his up knee makes it difficult to get in at times, but i can see it being 7-3 fasho.

skarlet i am not too sure on... his sb follows her dash and there is absolutely no reason to block low seeing that you can just smoke port out of her wakeup pressure and avoid more dash mixups

no dude hear me out

3/4 screen away when she sees bomb ex dash (Armor) into full combo reset into that sweet juicy hitbox

 

[RiBBz22]

Wafflez, I know you get to play Jeremiah more than any other Smoke player...but why do you think this is only a 6-4? I would have to say that it feels more like heavy advantage for Smoke. I still think that KL and Kabal 7-3 Smoke at the moment, but I could see them being 6-4 I guess due to the reset.