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Match-up Discussion Smoke Match-Up Discussion Thread (2012 Post-EVO Update)

GGA Wafflez

the kid
Hey guys, a little late, but I finally got my MU chart for smoke down. After an entire season of Evo, playing with numerous top players, I have finally come to a conclusion with this MU chart. Feel free to rip it apart or discuss.

6-4 vs Baraka
6-4 vs Cyber Sub-Zero
5-5 vs H cyrax
6-4 vs Cyrax
6-4 vs Ermac
6-4 vs Freddy Krueger
7-3 vs Jade
4-6 vs Jax
4-6 vs Johnny Cage
3-7 vs Kabal
6-4 vs Kano
6-4 vs Kenshi
6-4 vs Kitana
4-6 vs Kung Lao
5-5 vs Liu Kang
6-4 vs Mileena
6-4 vs Nightwolf
7-3 vs Noob
6-4Quan Chi
5-5 vs Raiden
6-4 vs Rain
5-5 vs Reptile
6-4 vs Scorpion
6-4 vs Sektor
6-4 vs Shang Tsung
7-3 vs Sheeva
7-3 vs Sindel
5-5 vs Skarlet
5-5 vs Smoke
4-6 vs Sonya Blade
6-4 vs Stryker
7-3 vs Sub-Zero (edited from 6-4) :)

5 disadvantage MU's
21 advantage MU's

discuss.
 

FrothyOmen

P!
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Lol at everyone blowing me up for having the same matchup chart. Good stuff based toilet wafflez.
 

SZSR

Premium
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subzerosmokerai I've stickied the thread. I'd like to suggest closing the other matchup thread and making this the new official one. Up to you though :)
I do think we need a new MU thread, but we should keep the old one for archival purposes. I'll unsticky the old one and close it, but I don't think i'll move it to the Netherrealm.
 

FrothyOmen

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I do think we need a new MU thread, but we should keep the old one for archival purposes. I'll unsticky the old one and close it, but I don't think i'll move it to the Netherrealm.
Right, that's what I was getting at. :)

Delriach is absolutely the best Sindel I've played. I agree with that MU being 6-4, but I can see how it might be 7-3.
 
yep, both of those characters dont just rely on their GREAT zoning... especially lui... reptile can still abuse enhanced forceball as well
I feel that the liu MU all relies on how lame the smoke can be lol. As long as smoke stays back and builds meter, shaking everything, it can be tough for liu, but if liu gets in its tough for smoke. Very similar to the Cage MU I think.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
good chart toilet Wafflez

may i offer some thought ?

Skarlet could be 6-4 her favor
i think noob 7-3 smoke

Any reason u have it 6-4?
 

FrothyOmen

P!
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good chart toilet Wafflez

may i offer some thought ?

Skarlet could be 6-4 her favor
i think noob 7-3 smoke

Any reason u have it 6-4?
I want to agree with this Skarlet number as well, but I have not played that matchup at a high enough level to be sure. I see where you are coming from with this.
 

GGA Wafflez

the kid
good chart toilet Wafflez

may i offer some thought ?

Skarlet could be 6-4 her favor
i think noob 7-3 smoke

Any reason u have it 6-4?
noob beats smoke on wakeup w/ shadow charge and his up knee makes it difficult to get in at times, but i can see it being 7-3 fasho.

skarlet i am not too sure on... his sb follows her dash and there is absolutely no reason to block low seeing that you can just smoke port out of her wakeup pressure and avoid more dash mixups
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
noob beats smoke on wakeup w/ shadow charge and his up knee makes it difficult to get in at times, but i can see it being 7-3 fasho.

skarlet i am not too sure on... his sb follows her dash and there is absolutely no reason to block low seeing that you can just smoke port out of her wakeup pressure and avoid more dash mixups
no dude hear me out

3/4 screen away when she sees bomb ex dash (Armor) into full combo reset into that sweet juicy hitbox
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
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Wafflez, I know you get to play Jeremiah more than any other Smoke player...but why do you think this is only a 6-4? I would have to say that it feels more like heavy advantage for Smoke. I still think that KL and Kabal 7-3 Smoke at the moment, but I could see them being 6-4 I guess due to the reset.