Skarlet: Banned @ Evo? (All DLC officially banned for Evo 2011)

[Thunder 88]

Ban her!


I'll tell you what's funny. Some of the MK community will complain how NRS is slacking on how they patch and fix things. They complain on how DLC is not coming soon enough. Those people don't have patience.



We all want a great balanced game, but that takes time. Besides the developers and game testers, the community also finds things out. Sometimes balance issues are discovered in one day, some a few months.


With that being said, if we want MK to be a success at EVO, why would we allow her or any DLC to be legal?


I say EVO and other majors ban all DLC until next year. Next years DLC should be banned also until the following year and so on. This will help ensure the game is playable, competitive, and balanced.


This will also keep players interested in MK for years to come.



If she isn't banned, we increase the risk of making MK look unworthy as a tournament fighter. Nobody here wants that.

 

[DrDogg]

It was stated when MK was announced for Evo, that any DLC that arrives after June 1st would not be allowed. It's after June 1st. I don't understand why there's anything to even discuss here. Evo won't be the last MK tournament. Skarlet isn't banned for life, only for this one event. If you want to play her in a tournament, then travel to another event after Evo.

 

[BKclover]

Well, let me understand the logic.

Kratos is banned simply because he is a console exclusive. It's for those with xboxes who don't have access to train with/against this particular character.

We question the banning of Skarlet because she is new. Some like myself haven't purchased the DLC thus are at a disadvantage(hope only to randomly fight her online) along with the fear of glitches and infinites.

It's to protect guys like me. Never mind that I can just go out and get the PS3 version or just buy the DLC to see what all the fuss is about but no. Apparently the phrase "You have to be in it to win it" doesn't ring a bell to what is suppose to be treated as a competative sport. Your reasoning isn't about fairness, it's about pity.

 

[Robotic]

It was stated when MK was announced for Evo, that any DLC that arrives after June 1st would not be allowed. It's after June 1st. I don't understand why there's anything to even discuss here. Evo won't be the last MK tournament. Skarlet isn't banned for life, only for this one event. If you want to play her in a tournament, then travel to another event after Evo.

Source? Assuming this is true, IS there any reason why this discussion is being had? Has anything changed to make the cutoff irrelevant?

 

[ApocaLips]

Well, let me understand the logic.

Kratos is banned simply because he is a console exclusive. It's for those with xboxes who don't have access to train with/against this particular character.

well, more people who play mk have $5 than those who have ps3s, so it's a little different.

 

[DrDogg]

Source? Assuming this is true, IS there any reason why this discussion is being had? Has anything changed to make the cutoff irrelevant?

It was stated by Wizard on the Wakeup Shoryuken podcast in late January when the game lineup was announced. Unfortunately, the archive for the podcast seems to be unavailable, but as soon as that issue is fixed you can look it up and listen for yourself.

 

[gamemk]

seems like it's better to be on the safe side, because if someone wins evo with some secret , broken skarlet gameplay, it will look very very bad for the game.

 

[16 Bit]

Dogg is right. I remember that. "What changed" is AE. Since that broke the deadline and they went with it(and this was the right choice).

 

[Macc]

The issue of not having enough time to learn Scarlet brings up a good point. What if someone finds out some new cheapness with another character like Raiden, Katana, or Kabal before Evo?! What will happen to MK9 if this happens at Evo?! I mean the game only came out back in April. Honestly have we had enough time to learn all the match ups/characters/mechanics?! I think the only option is to ban MK9 entirely. It's the safest way.....

 

[16 Bit]

seems like it's better to be on the safe side, because if someone wins evo with some secret , broken skarlet gameplay, it will look very very bad for the game.

If the game is this questionable we should bow out of Evo entirely. Part of MK being tournament worthy thing we all want is that the game should be good enough we don't have to constantly worry about this. No other game would get this treatment.

The only question is can we reasonably learn the matchup and the old July 1st deadline.

 

[Neb saibot]

How about this we let the pros decide. Tom brady, storms, krazie bone, reo, and the 2 current champs michelangelo & chrisG they should be the ones to make make the called cause im sure most of you here won't be at evo but they will and they know the game better than anyone, they know what to say about skarlet being in evo or not.

 

[Robotic]

That June 1st question should really take priority in getting answered, otherwise everyone is wasting their damn time.

 

[Graphf]

I am new to MK in general but I think, especially in light of the recent EU DLC delay, that allowing Skarlet would put the EU players at a greater *if only slight* disadvantage. Its a disadvantage nonetheless.

As Dogg said, MK will be around. NRS seems to be keen on supporting the game and it looks like they will continue to do so. MK will be at next years EVO, I am sure of it. Then we can see how all the DLC characters fit into the game as a whole.

 

[16 Bit]

How about this we let the pros decide. Tom brady, storms, krazie bone, reo, and the 2 current champs michelangelo & chrisG they should be the ones to make make the called cause im sure most of you here won't be at evo but they will and they know the game better than anyone, they know what to say about skarlet being in evo or not.

fuck that noise. Half those guys haven't won a major and this is Evo, it's open and for everyone.

 

[Mickael]

I have informed NRS that the cutoff for changes for Evo is July 6th. At that time, the EVO PS3's will be loaded with the current changes, and then taken offline until Evo is over.

That way people have a chance to practice with the current changes to make a strong showing at Evo.

That's a good call. I'd love to see her at EVO. Is the July 6th deadline for everyone then, I imagine? What if we find a Scorpion infinite on July 5th and a patch fix comes out on July 9th?

 

[Siky]

If people are aware that she might be banned last minute, what's stopping her from being used? Although not at majors, we didn't see a Kabal ban when his block infinite was discovered. Good players using it and winning made it look bad on them, but the fact is, it was still accepted and left unbanned by the community as a whole. Now this isn't justification for Skarlet, but it's also to see that we're a community that can be quite progressive and I think letting people know that putting a bunch of time into Skarlet wouldn't be a huge waste, it can also lead to finding those broken things so we can make a fair judgment.

People who enter aren't just picking up the game now so they should have the ability to play another character if Skarlet is banned and I bet you even with Skarlet not being allowed at EVO, people are still going to practice her so why not allow her? Last minute ban on ANY character with infinites / block infinites should be the way to go as we discover them and realize they can't be fixed for EVO.

 

[aj1701]

I think it is pertinent that broken stuff like her 17% dmg throw should be fixed prior to a major, otherwise she should be banned.

I must be doing something wrong; I'm only seeing 11% damage, which is on par (if not a bit less) than the other characters throw.

 

[Konqrr]

I must be doing something wrong; I'm only seeing 11% damage, which is on par (if not a bit less) than the other characters throw.

Back throw = 17%

 

[RWDY Nori]

I think we should have narrowed this down to "If you are going to Evo, please vote". I'm not even going so I probably shouldn't even say anything

 

[N7_Spectre]

I have no credibility to make a vote either way, but I say that Skarlet should be allowed if she is fixed in time. I don't see anything wrong with this character if they remove the 17% throw and her glitched dash cancels. I don't think banning her because there is a long-shot that she could be broken is the right thing to do. As far as I can tell she is a perfectly viable character. The game has already drastically changed with this last patch, if anything we should be more worried about how good Johnny Cage/Nightwolf are now, but not Skarlet.

 

[AU_IM_DIGIMON]

I voted yes.

But...if the full Skarlet related DLC (character purchase and compatibility pack) isn't available to ALL regions who are allowed to purchase MK9 in stores, legally lol...then I would seriously vote NO.

Because EvO IS a world tournament. And all regions need to be able to have access to this character in all forms.

It wouldn't be fair to have only the American players with the match up experience (even if it is for one month). And then for other regions, who want to participate in MK9 at EvO, to NOT have that experience. And it'd also be unfair, for them to travel so far and spend so much money, losing to a character they've never seen before and don't have access to.

So if NRS does NOT have full Skarlet related DLC released to all MK9 friendly regions by June 29th: IMO she should be Auto Banned from EvO World. Because that would violate the 1 month grace period of ALL REGIONS having the opportunity to learn the character.

And I for one HATE BANNING OF ANY KIND!!! -_-

...isn't that right Mr. Wizard? <3

...teeheehee.

 

[Cat]

It was stated when MK was announced for Evo, that any DLC that arrives after June 1st would not be allowed. It's after June 1st. I don't understand why there's anything to even discuss here. Evo won't be the last MK tournament. Skarlet isn't banned for life, only for this one event. If you want to play her in a tournament, then travel to another event after Evo.

That's funny. Cuz ae came put after June 1st. So they should ban it an just stick too ssf4

 

[Bidu]

Tournament players should be prepared as is...but there's also the fact that you don't have to actually purchase her to get the experience vs her. Besides, if you can't spend 5 bucks on a character, why are you paying like 500+ to enter a tournament? >.>

Holy fuck, THTB, 500 bucks? I would never imagine that it would be this expensive. Anyways, I've seem you around in some tourneys, very nice Reptile, man. You going to be @ EVO?

I don't think she should be banned. The twins were allowed in SF tournaments right away. Most of the country didn't have access to an arcade to play them before the console release and they're still allowed. People are worried she might be overpowered but the director for SF says himself that Yun and Yang were purposely made to be overpowered. I say let her be available and just let it play itself out.

I believe it's not the same situation, Kensei. I mean, SSF4 AE was out for like what? 6 months? I know it's only been out at Asia, but there's always Streams and Youtube for us all to learn at least a little bit, right? But don't get me wrong, I agree with you. She shouldn't be banned. But that's a risk that the guys at EVO may have have to take. After all, what if some cheap ass player comes out doing some infinite loop or some sort of glitch?

By the way where did you read about that quote of the director of SSF4 AE? 'Cause that's just makes no sense, if theres two characters that should be overpowered it's Evil Ryu and Oni lol.

My only true concern is someone exposing Skarlet of an infinite or something broken and it casting a very negative "first-time-look" at Mortal Kombat.

I am crossing my fingers that MK will remain Evo-worthy for years to come, so again... that is my only worry/concern.

We share the exact same thoughts, man. I was never EVER a Mortal Kombat fan, I don't hide this. But I just felt in love by MK9 since day 1. I really would like to see MK at many, many EVOs to come. xD

 

[LockM]

I'm guessing alot of the No votes are the ones not going to Evo or aren't really going to local tournaments and want to just see footage of her on EVO.
I'm not sure how a poll can be taken where only participants get to decide if Skarlet will be banned or not at EVO, which in my eyes is most fair, eventhough i'm not a tournament player and sure as hell cannot afford to go to something like EVO i want to see good competition, which unfortunately we don't know if Skarlet will be that.

And i vote Yes for the obvious reasons the time span between her release and EVO is too short to truly learn the matchup and she might be broken, gets patched(hotfixes), and European PSN players don't get to play her for another week.

 

[Neb saibot]

Yeah I bet your really a no life wack ass street fighter player, I voted no and I entered a tournament where I lost to chrisG. your fake ass wanna be who doesn't want to see the game grow, there should be no dlc character banned especially since its mk's first evo.