Scorpion Sucks, Scorpion Rules - Lets Complain Here

[Luija1006]

1. First hit of hits mid.
2. Teleport starts as fast as Sektor/Mileena/Smoke.
3. Teleport safe jump removed. Now teleport only grants you enough time for +/+ mixup without the jump.
4. Whiffed spear recovers as fast as blocked spear.
5. Scaling on + vs grounded opponents removed.
6. Hellfire scaling after teleport punch removed (currently does 3% damage instead of 7%).
7. :enTakedown invincible on wakeup during all active frames, safe on block, and recovery after hit reduced so that Scorpion is at +1 or +2 advantage on hit.

1. No, Scorpion is his most abused string. The second hitting mid would make his mix up perfect, in other words Over Powered. Scorpion second hit mid IN THE DEMO, and was nerfed. So this is not happening anytime soon.
2. Scorpion teleport function is to continue juggles and check projectiles, that's it.
3. Ridiculous.
4. I see people online spamming spear if this happens. Spear function is TO BAIT and start combos, not for spam.
5. Cannot complain, would add more damage to my juggles.
6. Same as 5
7. Takedown sucks, why wasting EX using thatmove anyways?

 

[MKF30]

option missing I think should be there: He does not suck

This ^ Scorp definitely doesn't suck. His hellfire is easily one of the best moves in the GAME.

 

[PimpUigi]

Scorpion sucks until he does good at a major.
End of story.
Top 8 at EVO??? I don't see it.

 

[Slips]

Scorpion doensn't suck at all. Sounds like your not using his best tactics. The fact that you say he loses every zoning tactic in the game is proof.

The only thing he needs is his leg takedown to be safe and maybe his spear have better recovery on whiff. All the other suggestive buffs are ridiculous.

 

[Ayx]

Scorpion sucks until he does good at a major.
End of story.
Top 8 at EVO??? I don't see it.

I don't think he sucks, I just don't think anyone takes the time to Master him because he's kinda overrated for casual fans and he isn't anything too special. But he has his perks that might throw people off guard.

 

[salvificblood]

7. :enTakedown invincible on wakeup during all active frames, safe on block, and recovery after hit reduced so that Scorpion is at +1 or +2 advantage on hit.

Are you kidding? That would be so broken... because now I'd have to block low as default every time I knock you down and the first hit of your basic string now hits mid (I take it you mean as an overhead), so this gives you a mindgame on your wakeup because you can either teleport into overhead or use a completely unpunishable takedown to get a knockdown on me whenever you have meter.

 

[Tw1sted]

the problem with wanting to play scorpion is that so many other people play scorpion. therefor we all have experience fighting against scorpions of all skill level (mostly bad ones) but even against good scorpions, we just kinda already know how the matchup works.

that is the problem with playing a character that is popular. same thing with ken in sf4. so many scrubs played him, that even the good ken players couldn't really break in to top 8 very often cuz everyone knew how to beat ken. also, ken wasn't as good as some of the other characters at the time. why play ken when you could be playing ryu, akuma, or sagat? the same question for scorpion is, why play him where there are better teleporting ninjas out there like ermac and smoke?

i understand character loyalty and being a fan of certain characters, but there comes a point in time where you put fandom aside and focus on what characters are good and how well you do with them. theres a very long list of characters that are very good so there is something for everyone. if you wanna continue with scorpion, then you're gonna have to research some new technology or some drastically different playstyle that throws people off enough for you to get the win.

 

[doomfarmer]

Does anyone else remember the videos posted on this website within this last month where a scorpion player took 3rd at a tournament? I remember people saying "wow good to see scorpion being played well"

Anyway, i'm about to go play another game, and when I get killed in it, i'm going to call the game broken, see ya.

 

[ETC AdmiralAugustus]

Maybe Scorpion is just not for you? Have you tried Sheeva?

 

[MKF30]

I don't think he sucks, I just don't think anyone takes the time to Master him because he's kinda overrated for casual fans and he isn't anything too special. But he has his perks that might throw people off guard.

I agree, chances are you won't see Scorpion at EVO or any other big tournament NOT because "he's bad" he's good, it's just because of two reasons. A. He's not as popular/typically picked as much as the Raidens, Kabals and Kung Laos etc and B. He's not a top tier character, but he sure as hell ain't low tier either....

Scorpion can hold his own against most of the roster in this game if used right but like people have said earlier, people just don't know how to use him. I have a nice 40%+5% damage for 45% combo with him as one of my BnB, I've only seen ONE other scorpion player CRKfiend do so out of every Scorp I've seen online on xbox since nobody uses him offline average is mid 30% damage by most Scorp players if that much....this just goes to prove my point that nobody knows how to use him. There's lots of tactics and tricks with him using his hellfire, baiting jumps into spears, JK, teleport combos, I can go on....Scorpion does not suck.

 

[Ayx]

Yeah, not to mention his LK tap comes out of NOWHERE for a Spear then going for the combo. Especially under pressure it throws people off guard often if the game isn't a zoning game. I think Scorpion is a great aggressor if used right.

 

[Tw1sted]

Your poll reminds me of those spyware popups I used to get where there's no good option to select from.

You have to realize that Scorpion is a mixup character and because of that he's a gambling character. Obviously a great Scorpion's skill level and mindgame abilities will pull the odds in his favor if he's better than his opponent but he still just is as he is, a mixup character. However he's very rewarding when you pull off a mixup successfully and he has alot of options.

You want the cold hard truth dude; and this is the same truth that applied to me and everyone else when they'd lose with their character.

You need to practice and level up.

I'm sick of the constant buffing and nerfing of characters and I think it's great that NRS pays close attention to their fanbase. HOWEVER, the truth is that most of us, including myself are in no place to give feedback on what should and shouldn't be changed. I play the game and in no way am I into the logistics of it enough to make an educated decision. If you buff one thing it creates a domino affect that applies to the entire character being buffed, and along with this, the characters that that particular character will face.

Constant buffing and nerfing takes away things we have yet to discover with said characters; and we'll never discover them because they've been changed.

No, he shouldn't be buffed. Learn to play as your character the way he is and realize the potential he has instead of having shit handed to you on a silver platter.

We also thought Cyber Sub was low tier at first. Thank god we didn't buff him as well.

you know you're exactly right. we play the game, so we have no input on how to balance it. thats why NRS needs to do like namco and put a very good and very respected player on the payroll to help balance the game. the catch being that they don't enter tournaments. so that way we can have someone who isn't biased on character design desicions because they have no reason to be biased since they aren't playing the game to win at events.

 

[Ayx]

you know you're exactly right. we play the game, so we have no input on how to balance it. thats why NRS needs to do like namco and put a very good and very respected player on the payroll to help balance the game. the catch being that they don't enter tournaments. so that way we can have someone who isn't biased on character design desicions because they have no reason to be biased since they aren't playing the game to win at events.

I'd say a group of players, not one. ONE person can't convince the team on how to balance each character because there's some facts yes, but others are pure opinions. For example: A lot of players THINK Cyrax needs more Armor abilities, but he really doesn't. Just small details like that can make or break a game. Really tough business and I thank god with the technology now a days the devs can tweak the game much easily than before.

 

[Ghost stalker]

Wow.. I have all these options...

 

[PimpUigi]

I'm sorry, but I just can't buy into the people who posted that Scorpion players just need to learn to play Scorpion better.
I already posted examples of things I was doing, if there are better things than abusing the safe jump and his 50/50s, then please enlighten us.

Anyone who wants to play me, I live in Philadelphia. It's a nice central hub for north east players.
I'll probably win with my Reptile, Ermac, or whatever, and lose with Scorpion like always.

 

[mozarus]

Scorpion is lottery character (mixup is usless vs. high dmg character cyrax/sector/kitana/...), much fun for casual match. If someone go on serious fight will choose much better fighter Lao/Raiden/Kabal/Reptile/... The worst thing about Scorpion is meter depending and totally shitty Takedown
ps.
My vision (don't take it to serious) top tier Scorpion TE
1. Safe Takedown, on hit advantage, no tech, :en have armor.
2. Safe + without dmg scale.
3. Invincible on teleport startup, :en can lead to spear :headbang:

 

[Kwon]

Does anyone else remember the videos posted on this website within this last month where a scorpion player took 3rd at a tournament? I remember people saying "wow good to see scorpion being played well"

Anyway, i'm about to go play another game, and when I get killed in it, i'm going to call the game broken, see ya.

Yes, that Scorpion-player was great.

That's when Tom Brady said "It takes a Crazy person to play Scorpion"

Erebis i believe his name was!

 

[Kwon]

OK, so I recently won a tournament with Mileena, there were a few well known players there like AceUnlimited, and a pretty decent Jax player who I was surprised to fight in Grand Finals.

Everyone raped my Scorpion in casuals, and everyone got raped by Mileena in the brackets.
Scorpion was originally my main, and I wouldn't consider my Scorpion to be the best, but it's certainly no slouch.

Found it! Here we go!

Watch this Scorpion-player Uigi, and let me know what you think of his play and if you play better than him

This was during a Tournament
Start at 1:39, Watch the player named Erebis
http://www.justin.tv/d1zzle23/b/290358628?

 

[Kombo]

Scorpion sucks until he does good at a major.
End of story.
Top 8 at EVO??? I don't see it.

:facepalm:

 

[GGA soonk]

If he needs anything, it's a slightly faster teleport (Sektor fast, not Smoke fast). Dude has no wakeup options that he can't get hit out of, which sucks. Apart from that he's fine. You want a mid combo starter? Use 33; it's faster than 1, anyways. Your suggestions make no sense. Maybe you should stick with Mileena if Scorpion isn't working out :/

 

[mozarus]

This video is essence of Scorpion and his weakness, brutal berserk attack almost every attack attempt is very risky. Erebis play very aggressive, fun to watch. If you are good at gambling and have lady luck on your side play Scorpion .

 

[Slips]

This video is essence of Scorpion and his weakness, brutal berserk attack almost every attack attempt is very risky. Erebis play very aggressive, fun to watch. If you are good at gambling and have lady luck on your side play Scorpion .

Not to disrespect Erebis but he wasn't doig A LOT of Scorpions best stuff. Even Tom Brady was questioning some of his tactics. A high level Scorp has yet to be seen.

 

[Nephets]

What the hell. Scopions BNB does like 37% hes not a terrible character at all.

And you shouldn't be throwing your spear full screen anyway u deserve to get punished by teleport if you do that.

I don't know about you guys but im hell firing away and baiting a jump only to kick and air throw em all day

 

[IKizzLE]

Lol. Can't wait until Slips makes top 8 at Evo and you eat your words....

 

[Niflheim]

Scorpion doesn't need to be buffed by much. He'll turn out great when people dedicate their time to make him turn out great.
Plus, due to his overuse with casual gamers, he's easy to be beaten because a lot of tactics are predictable, as stated by Tw1sted and others.
In my opinion, he needs only spear to be recovered better. His teleport has always been hell-of slow in Mortal Kombat, so making it faster would just break it.
Also, complaining about his wake-up options is not something to complain about. Look at Quan Chi, Shang Tsung, and Sheeva. Terrible wake-up options, imo. Buffing takedown would be a terrible idea, since then the person can just use a wake-up attack then use a combo to make you end up in the same place you previously were at.