General/Other - Raiden Raiden General Discussion

[Anor]

The Towards+FP,BP now 0 on block does not apply to TG.

Exactly but some reason it is not listed patch note or in game the wrong frame date.

 

[Aramonde]

The traps still hit high?! WTF! Wouldn't have made sense to make them a mid?

 

[ganondeurf]

They said they increased the cancel advantage of f12, but frame data is still unchanged, did you notice how much it has changed ?
As I've searched, we still can't do f12 LRC d1 against a 9 frames reversal on block. Same for f12 TP on block, we aren't safe.

Also, I noticed that cancel advantage on b11 is +19 and on an old frame data, I've found it was +21f, did they nerf that ?

 

[Raidenwins]

The patch notes didn't say anything about F1, 2, B2 not having a gap anymore. Can anybody confirm if that works? Same for the improved B1 hitbox.

 

[brizzle]

The patch notes didn't say anything about F1, 2, B2 not having a gap anymore. Can anybody confirm if that works? Same for the improved B1 hitbox.

Gap is gone. There was also a gap in b1,4 if done at closest point to opponent. That is gone also. B1,1 has not whiffed on any character at all for me so far

 

[Raidenwins]

Gap is gone. There was also a gap in b1,4 if done at closest point to opponent. That is gone also. B1,1 has not whiffed on any character at all for me so far

Awesome! Thanks for that.

 

[Tokiwartoothxdk]

Dead character?

 

[DDutchguy]

Dead character?

Not for me he isn't. If I ever manage to figure out how recording and audio capture works on Xbox One I may make a guide on Raiden some day.

 

[Raidenwins]

Dead character?

No way. He is still my main.

 

[Tokiwartoothxdk]

Not for me he isn't. If I ever manage to figure out how recording and audio capture works on Xbox One I may make a guide on Raiden some day.

No way. He is still my main.

i was just wondering because the forum has been empty for a while now lol

 

[DDutchguy]

i was just wondering because the forum has been empty for a while now lol

Not much to talk about anymore. No controversialness or 'fuck NRS for not buffing Raiden' threads.

 

[TyCarter35]

How does Raiden fare against most of the cast since XL along with the fact that he has a true 8 frame mid that doesn't whiff anymore?

 

[Northern Slasher]

I'm loving Displacer, it's so much fun! But my god does Raiden have a TERRIBLE jip.

 

[DDutchguy]

How does Raiden fare against most of the cast since XL along with the fact that he has a true 8 frame mid that doesn't whiff anymore?

I'm one of the few that think Raiden holds his own against most of the cast. His biggest problem has to be his bad neutral game. In Thunder God, it's hard for him to establish any good pressure because of his long recovery frames and lack of plus frames (though the F4 buff helped that a bit). As such I think he struggles the most against characters with a far superior neutral like Kano.

People shouldn't forget that Raiden is very good at punishing with his 6-frame F1 that leads to huge corner carry. Raiden's corner vortex and damage are also very very good. Raiden is quite unsafe himself though, which means it's hard for him to commit to a 50/50 like some other characters can.

In any case I love Raiden and will main him for the rest of this game. He has very good qualities behind him, but also some bad qualities to keep him balanced.

 

[ganondeurf]

I think you should try using f2, 3+4 (hold)'s recovery frame. I just noticed that's hard to punish this recovery with a jump in (and also a whiffed Mileena's tp).
Don't try it with f12b2 and b34, I think it's a property specific to that move, or also 3, 3+4 (hold).
I said to hold, because if you stop only at the first lightnings, well recovery is damn too high.

By the way, there are still some whiffing issues with the 2nd hit of b11, but it's on very specific conditions (depending on how far you are...)

 

[gibster13]

What is the TRUE tier placement of Lord Raiden?

In my honest opinion, Raiden seems real good. But when i play people i get messages saying "Why are you playing Low tier raiden" etc. People have placed him bottom 5 from what i have seen but how >

He can punish a ton of shit with f1 (6f)
Big damage
swag
teleport
Doesn't care about zoning with bf3
Corner is death

Im not an up player I just wanna know opinions. TY

 

[TyCarter35]

What is the TRUE tier placement of Lord Raiden?

In my honest opinion, Raiden seems real good. But when i play people i get messages saying "Why are you playing Low tier raiden" etc. People have placed him bottom 5 from what i have seen but how >

He can punish a ton of shit with f1 (6f)
Big damage
swag
teleport
Doesn't care about zoning with bf3
Corner is death

Im not an up player I just wanna know opinions. TY

I think it has to do with the fact that low profiling is his worst enemy and he suffers in the neutral which is a HUGE part of the game as he has to be up close to really do much. Also, the only thing he has going for him is that he has insane corner carry and meter building but thanks to the universal nerf to meter building, it's not as useful. Also wakeup is problematic as his best option is a high and his overheads are punishable. I think that's why he's considered bottom five

 

[ganondeurf]

Well, Thunder God isn't really concerned about the meter building nerf...

 

[GreatKungLao]

Be careful flying into Cyrax

 

[DDutchguy]

Be careful flying into Cyrax

Confirmed 9-1 matchup. That is hilarious.

 

[Kickbykick]

What raidens b11 on block, am sure its not -9 neither is it -6

 

[gibster13]

I think ex orbs are insane. I have been looking at setups a ton recently.

This is an ex orb set up of a corner interactable.

It's not fully optimised but it's all I could get.

 

[gibster13]

Midscreen
36% 1 bar orb set up (run in throw it 50/50)
Not guaranteed but makes them panic hard lol

 

[Lil Majin]

Midscreen
36% 1 bar orb set up (run in throw it 50/50)
Not guaranteed but makes them panic hard lol

Just do the combo that Nivek uses. It does 36% as well and it is an actual combo.

f12b2, b14, ex db1~db1, run, 4, df2, techroll, bf3

Time the ex db1 extension to where the opponent gets hit by the initial ex db1 while leaving the second db1 on the screen. Run up, hit 4 asap into df2 and then the lightning ball will cancel out the df2 causing you to fall......just techroll then bf3 to finish.

 

[Shawnzzy]

Shout out to @Lil Majin for taking Raiden out of pools at FR and shout out to @Nivek for keeping the dream alive at Viennality. He just made top 8. RAIDEN IS BACK BABY!