it isn't about dealing with them.
Landorus is versatile yes, but so is t-tar. T-tar is everywhere and super bulky? Why are we not screaming for a T-Tar ban? He is every bit as good as landorus or thundurus. Its because he has weaknesses. Just like the others, which is my point. Just because you choose to leave your water and ice at home doesnt mean landorus should be banned. Also it isnt just special ice, physical ice kills him too so long as it isnt ice shard. greninja is a counter. Just because it cant safely switch in doesnt mean it isnt a counter. Unless landorus is scarfed it cant touch greninja. You would never switch him into a stab. Gyarados is another counter to him, as well as skarmory. These conversations always end up sounding like you want him gone because he has more than one use, which is the case for a lot of Pokemon in the tier. Greninja, Tyranitar,Charizard, Aegislash, sylveon,Infernape, and so many others have many purposes that they serve I can do different things. why is it that we should just get rid of 2 or 3 pokemon in the meta because they're legendary and have more than 1 purpose.
Swords dance Ice shard Stab would probably kill.
I dont think it's a terrible idea as far as what you are proposing, but I don't think it would help the meta either. I have zero trouble with landorus and thundurus and Idont have greninja as much as i talk about him being the solutions. There are plenty of ways to deal with them.
I am not really updated on the meta. But it seems to me the way you describe Greninja in the matchup between Greninja and Landorus is a check, not a counter.
Landorus Outspeeds Gyrados dude, as I said, if you can't switch in and kill it the next turn, it's not a counter.
In that since greninja doesnt counter anything, like at all. Just because something cant switch into an attack or doesnt want to doesnt mean it cant counter something. Greninja is a revenge killer/late game sweeper, not a wall lol.I am not really updated on the meta. But it seems to me the way you describe Greninja in the matchup between Greninja and Landorus is a check, not a counter.
Being a counter would imply that the pokemon beats the other in pretty much every scenario, given that you not have very little hit points left. A check is a pokemon who has advantage, but does not flat out beats it. So since Greninja cannot survive a switch in, I would say that he (Greninja is a he to me) is a check
Greninja is not a counter to Landorus. He cannot get in on him 1v1 unless Landorus takes out a poke or you make a godlike psychic read. Not many pokes can switch in on landorus and take him out man.
Gyarados CANNOT be okhod by landorus point blank. It's slower but is also bulky, you dont need speed to kill it. To say that aegislash's weaknesses are common but landorus' arent is ridiculous. I think he is fine. He isnt that fast and you highly overestimate his bulk, he is versatile for sure, but tons of stuff is. Again, there is more to countering something than just walling it. Greninja isnt a wall we know this, in this sense he would be a revenge killer.
Special Landorus - 94% chance to 2hko with sludge wave. 56% chance to 2hko with psychic.
If you want things that can wall it then still kill it fine. They are there, you just dont run them:
Well, that is how the general definition of checks and counters are. Counter: A Pokemon that beats all or most variations of another Pokemon. Capable of Switching in easily. Check: A Pokemon that can impede another Pokemon's sweep or stall cycle, but may not always win if the opponent carries a certain move. This can also apply to moves or hazards.
Azumarill is not a wall.
Skarm is probably the better option for walling it. It wont be able to kill it tho, unless it's invested in attack. It can wall/stall it to death tho
Ok so is switching in or getting intinidated by a lando switch in. You have to pick one here. are we talking lnaodrus t or landorus? That another thing. If lando is switching in why arent you dding?
So then lando doesnt get an intimidate.